Supervising Animator
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Apr 20, 2007, 7:35 PM
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Ever felt sorry for the bad guy?
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Yup-That's what I'd like to know.
I actually have a few of my own.
I recently found the anime film of Jack and the Beanstalk on youtube and I sorta felt sorry for Tulip(yes, that's the giant's name). It's not his fault that his mother's a nasty, hideous, abusive witch with lofty ambitions. It's also not his fault that he's so ugly either.
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Bugs Bunny cartoons are not supposed to feature a lisping Viking rabbit hunter enthusiastically professing his operatic love for a bunny in drag.
(This post was edited by Glowworm on Apr 20, 2007, 7:35 PM)
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Animator
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Apr 20, 2007, 11:28 PM
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Well the whole idea of the Coyote vs Roadrunner series was to have sympathy for the Coyote, who is indeed the bad guy. I think Chuck Jones said that himself, no?
Everybody & his mother wanted the Coyote to catch that bird....even the 2 kids in that (made for TV?) "Adventures of the Road Runner" were talking about it. But like the 1 kid said...."If he catches him, there'd be no more Road Runner. You wouldn't want that, would you?"
So we were left with that paradox for years. (Sorry, "Soup or Sonic" does not count. So there.) 
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Supervising Animator / Contributor
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Apr 21, 2007, 9:34 AM
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I've always felt bad for the villains. Sometimes, I want the good guys to win, like in Popeye cartoons. But in most cases, like in Bugs Bunny cartoons, I want Elmer Fudd to win.
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Directing Animator / Contributor
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Apr 21, 2007, 10:04 AM
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But in most cases, like in Bugs Bunny cartoons, I want Elmer Fudd to win.
That's why Friz Freleng created Yosemite Sam; he felt that Elmer didn't make a good villain; he felt he was more of a pitiful character. Indeed, in some of those early Bugs shorts, the rabbit did come off like a bully picking on him.
Myself, I've always felt sorry for Donald Duck in most of the shorts in which he appeared alongside his nephews or Chip 'N' Dale; probably because, although Don was allegedly the heavy, in many of those cartoons he was just the victim of arbitrary mistreatment by those characters.
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Fanboyism (noun): The belief that Batman would win every fight he could ever be put in.
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Lead Animator / Contributor
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Apr 21, 2007, 10:44 AM
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When I was a kid I felt sorry for Katnip in his battles with Herman (or sometimes Buzzy the Crow). He suffered in ways that were painful to watch. And the abuses would build and build without Katnip getting in a single lick of his own. Unbelievably one-sided if you ask me. He made Tom (of T&J) and Wile E. look like lottery-winners by comparison. It was pointless to root for him. Mostly I hoped he would get out of cartoons and into a less strenuous occupation, like bomb disposal.
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Supervising Animator
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Apr 21, 2007, 2:02 PM
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I've felt sorry for Mojo Jojo-simply because of his past-he was orignally Professor Utonium's helper and pet monkey. Being a mischievious little monkey he accidently knocked a bottle of chemical X into the Professor's concoction for the perfect little girl. Thus the Powerpuff girls were born and Jojo became the mutated maniacal villain that he is today. He was abandoned by the Professor. That's why Mojo knows no love and is always trying to destroy his half siblings.
Someone once created an awesome fanfic in which Mojo was still taken care of along with the girls and raised as the Professor's own child-and Mojo never had any malicious evil thoughts towards his "sisters."
I've also felt sorry for Mr.Crocker from Fairly Oddparents-also because of his past. It wasn't even his fault-Cosmo should have been punished. The man is really a hopeless nut if you ask me.
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Bugs Bunny cartoons are not supposed to feature a lisping Viking rabbit hunter enthusiastically professing his operatic love for a bunny in drag.
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Inbetweener
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Apr 24, 2007, 6:57 PM
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Plankton in SpongeBob Squarepants was a definitley a one to feel sorry for. That Mr. Krabs is so overalert about his recipe and they should put the Spongebob contract in a paper shredder so they can reveal the formula, gross everybody out and end the show.
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Supervising Animator
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May 2, 2007, 6:52 PM
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how about the Toilenator from Codename Kids Next Door? Scorned by his fellow villains-laughed at by knd opperatives. What else should we expect from a villain that wears a roll of toilet paper upon his head?
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Bugs Bunny cartoons are not supposed to feature a lisping Viking rabbit hunter enthusiastically professing his operatic love for a bunny in drag.
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Directing Animator
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May 3, 2007, 12:30 AM
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I always used to feel sorry for the cats in any of the Mighty Mouse cartoons of the 40's and 50's. MM was, IMHO, simply merciless and relentless in his punishment. He just kept wailing on those cats! One or two blows would have sufficed in teaching the cats a lesson. I think MM seriously had anger management issues!
I also used to feel sorry for Sylvester in the cartoons in which he was featured alongside Tweety. Granny would pummel him no end when all he was trying to do was get something to eat.
I really hated to see the way Sylvester was mistreated in Claws in the Lease (Robert McKimson, 1963), in which a shrewish housewife adopts Sylvester Jr. but leaves Sylvester out in the cold.
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"Sit, Ubu, sit... good dog!" ("Arf"!)
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Apprentice
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May 5, 2007, 5:39 AM
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I often feel sorry for Bluto and Popeye's other rivals in the Famous Studios cartoons. In quite a few cartoons, they are the ones who are the most compatible with Olive Oyl and are going all out to win her. All Popeye does is react to what they do. And Popeye sometimes snubs or disses Olive Oyl. She moves on to another guy, the other guy is wooing and winning her, and then suddenly there's that sailor with the spinach again. Also, sometimes Popeye hasn't a chance to win Olive until his spinach magically makes him over into what Bluto or another guy already naturally is. Does that seem fair?
I felt sorry for Brutus in the KFS cartoon, "Coffee House." He has a date with Olive Oyl and Popeye won't take Olive's "No," for an answer and keeps trying to horn in. (When Brutus and Bluto and the other rivals do this kind of thing when Popeye has a date with Olive, we're supposed to view them as the villains. So what does that make Popeye in this cartoon?) And Popeye only triumphs after spinach has made him into a beatnik like Brutus.
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Inbetweener
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May 18, 2007, 3:07 PM
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I symapthize for Sylvester. I understand Tweety needs to defend himself, but sometimes he goes too far. And in some cartoons it's the mice that are being the jerks and not the cat. For example, in this one cartoon all Sylvester wants is a dang can opener to open a can of tuna and the mouse won't let him have it. Who's the victim now? There's this other cartoon I remember where Fudd just wants to take a picture of rabbit and the rabbit was brutal to him. It's not like he was trying to shoot him or anything, yeesh!
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wackyoverkhaki has spoken. Nyyyyyeeeeah!
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Supervising Animator
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May 19, 2007, 6:27 PM
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Ah yes "Canned Feud" and "Elmer's Candid Camera"
Speaking of cartoons in which you could feel sorry for Elmer: "Wabbit Twouble" comes immediately to mind:Elmer is just trying to get some "west and welaxation" while Bugs is apparently bothering him for no actual reason.
"Elmer's Pet Rabbit" -Elmer simply wants a pet to take care of-Bugs isn't being very cooperative.
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Bugs Bunny cartoons are not supposed to feature a lisping Viking rabbit hunter enthusiastically professing his operatic love for a bunny in drag.
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Supervising Animator
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May 19, 2007, 11:20 PM
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In The Wacky Wabbit, Elmer is just looking for gold and Bugs decides to interfere.
Sometimes I feel sorry for Tom. Every now and then Jerry is too hard on the revenge thing.
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Inbetweener / Contributor
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May 20, 2007, 4:24 PM
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Well, as for H-B television cartoons, any villain dealing with the Blue Falcon gets my unhesitating support. Also, any character voiced by the irreplaceable PAUL LYNDE--Claude Pertwee, The Hooded Claw/Sylvester Sneakly, the original Mildew Wolf, and even Tempelton.
ALSO:
Being a great connoisseur of cartoon wolves, I tend to side with these guys....but particularly:
1) CRAZYWOLF (from DePatie-Freleng's Hoot Kloot)--The way this series is slanted, you're not supposed to give a darn about the schmucky hero, and cheer for the "bad guy," who's really scarcely all that bad. That said, this was a delightfully amoral cartoon series: much like the same studio's ROLAND AND RATFINK.
2) THE WOLF FROM DISNEY's The Sword In The Stone --Let's face it, this would be a desperately dull movie if not for the heavies (let's not leave out Madame Mim, either). But the wolf, for me, steals the whole show, even tho' he has just two brief scenes.
3) THE WOLF FROM Three Little Bops--C'mon, we ALL identify with this guy, who means no physical harm, just wants to play in the band!
4) B.B.WOLF, who starred in three McKimson shorts, beginning with The Turn-Tale Wolf--Yes, I even like NOW HARE THIS: forget about Bugs, it's B.B. who takes cenger stage here.
5) BENJIE WOLF, from the 60s Sugar Bear cartoons--Poor ol' Benji was, once again, a pretty ineffectual guy (and he couldn't help it if he stuttered or was dyslexic!).
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"As we say in Swahili: 'OOP!'"
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Inbetweener
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May 26, 2007, 2:07 AM
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Speaking of cartoons in which you could feel sorry for Elmer: "Wabbit Twouble" comes immediately to mind:Elmer is just trying to get some "west and welaxation" while Bugs is apparently bothering him for no actual reason.
"Elmer's Pet Rabbit" -Elmer simply wants a pet to take care of-Bugs isn't being very cooperative.
Haha no kidding. Wabbit Twouble was so funny though!
I just watched The Lion King the other day, and I know Scar was a jerk that deserved some sort of punishment, but I really wish he wouldn't have been ripped apart by the hyenas. That was just brutal. I know he had it coming, but all the same, sometimes I just sympathize for the coward even if he is a villain- I think it would've been better if he would've just got exiled from the kingdom or something. And in Beauty In The Beast did Gaston really have to fall off a cliff? As much as I love Disney movies, sometimes I think Disney's too tough on their villains- I think it would be better if they make them change their ways and learn their lessons or something, or maybe that would be too politically correct. Whatever.
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wackyoverkhaki has spoken. Nyyyyyeeeeah!
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Supervising Animator
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May 29, 2007, 5:27 PM
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Speaking of cartoons in which you could feel sorry for Elmer: "Wabbit Twouble" comes immediately to mind:Elmer is just trying to get some "west and welaxation" while Bugs is apparently bothering him for no actual reason.
"Elmer's Pet Rabbit" -Elmer simply wants a pet to take care of-Bugs isn't being very cooperative. Haha no kidding. Wabbit Twouble was so funny though! I just watched The Lion King the other day, and I know Scar was a jerk that deserved some sort of punishment, but I really wish he wouldn't have been ripped apart by the hyenas. That was just brutal. I know he had it coming, but all the same, sometimes I just sympathize for the coward even if he is a villain- I think it would've been better if he would've just got exiled from the kingdom or something. And in Beauty In The Beast did Gaston really have to fall off a cliff? As much as I love Disney movies, sometimes I think Disney's too tough on their villains- I think it would be better if they make them change their ways and learn their lessons or something, or maybe that would be too politically correct. Whatever.
To be honest as a child all I felt during Disney movies was "That's the bad guy. He's gonna die." I mean-Gaston never really got any pity from me-he repulsed me as a child.
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http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1889152/1/
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2068539/1/
yeah-this writer is great. Hope you enjoy.
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Bugs Bunny cartoons are not supposed to feature a lisping Viking rabbit hunter enthusiastically professing his operatic love for a bunny in drag.
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Inbetweener / Contributor
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Jun 20, 2007, 7:57 PM
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Speaking of Disney villains:
I always thought the Disney sciriptwriters wimped out when they let the old dog, Chief, live in The Fox And The Hound. after he ended up diving to what should have been his death when trying to catch & kill Tod (c'mon, that HAD to have been a good, 1000-foot leap!).
Cartoon writers (& censors) have been such softies this last quarter-century.
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"As we say in Swahili: 'OOP!'"
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Inbetweener / Contributor
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Feb 21, 2008, 12:02 AM
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...just thought I'd open up this thread again with 5 more cartoon wolves (as a sequel to my other list a few posts up), all of whom will get my immediate sympathy:
1) Any wolf in a Mighty Mouse cartoon.
2) The wolf in the 80s Hamms Beer Bear commercials.
3) Hokey Wolf and his pal Ding-Ding....you really gotta love 'em, they have no malicious intent (they may as well be Loopy de Loop).
4) Wolfie in the 40s Paramount/Famous BLACKIE SHEEP cartoons (Blackie's got about as much 'tude as Herman the Mouse anyway!). So what if the wolf's an Avery ripoff?
5) Charles M. Wolf in Friz Freleng's '58 Bugs Bunny, Hare-Less Wolf .....Charlie's no baddie, just forgetful is all.
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"As we say in Swahili: 'OOP!'"
--George of the Jungle
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Supervising Animator / Contributor
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Feb 21, 2008, 7:58 AM
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Speaking of Disney villains: I always thought the Disney sciriptwriters wimped out when they let the old dog, Chief, live in The Fox And The Hound. after he ended up diving to what should have been his death when trying to catch & kill Tod (c'mon, that HAD to have been a good, 1000-foot leap!). Cartoon writers (& censors) have been such softies this last quarter-century.
Chief didn't leap off the trestle. He got hit by the train and it knocked him off of the bridge. I should know, I've been hit by trains dozens of times. 
This isn't the first time a similar incident occured in the writing. Trusty in "Lady and The Tramp" was originally going to die near the end when the pound wagon crushed him. But Walt saw the scene and was shocked, because he didn't want a repeat of what happened in "Bambi." So the writers changed it and made Trusty just have a broken leg.
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People think I am crazy just because I didn't like "Ratatouille." Am I REALLY crazy, or do I see things differently?
(This post was edited by WileECoyote on Feb 21, 2008, 8:01 AM)
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Inbetweener
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Mar 9, 2008, 7:44 PM
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THese characters aren't bad guys, but did anyone ever feel soory for cartoon characters in the commercials--you know, like the Trix Rabbit?
I remeber back in the 70s there used to be a bear called Wally who used to advertise Honey Smacks. He's try everything he could to get some, but the kids wouldn't let him have any. There was one kid on one of those commercials who came across as a major snot-nosed brat. He would sneer "Good-bye Wally". with a smug grin on his little face.
(This post was edited by Sleestakgod on Mar 9, 2008, 7:49 PM)
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Intern
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Mar 9, 2008, 8:03 PM
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I felt sorry for Charlie Tuna, not because he didn't get caught, but because he wanted to get caught...
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Intern
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Apr 5, 2008, 6:23 PM
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Absolutely! Dick Dastardly! At least Muttley got some form of victory(albeit with getting a medal for saving Dastardly, or he's the hero in his Magnificent Muttley shorts).
But back to Dastardly..He actually could have won at least one Wacky Race-and at least two was by not cheating. And let him catch that vaunted Yankee Doodle Pigeon! He and the rest of the Vulture Squadron could've ended the series by 'Stopping That Pigeon'!
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Boulder's Rule!
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Animator
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Apr 7, 2008, 9:05 AM
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Besides most of the Looney Toons one mentioned I often root for Harley Quinn. Ok it may be because I simply like her, but I don't always think she is naturally bad, just blindly in love, with someone who doesn't love her back. I think most of the bad stuff she does is mostly done for love.
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Shaggy: Gee, Scraps, you didn't have to freak out like a jerk and kill all humanity.
Scrappy Doo: And I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling sons of...
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Inbetweener
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May 3, 2008, 4:29 PM
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You know, there was one time I really felt sorry for Gargemel. It was on the "Smurfs" epsiode where Gargmel's mother shows up and says "you're a quitter! That's why you never catch them!" After Gargamel has donw all he can, still fails, he is STILL admonished again and again with "you're a quitter!" Which, of course, was only essentially mockery, as we all know that Gargamel cannot win no matter what.
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Supervising Animator
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May 3, 2008, 4:48 PM
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Actually I feel even more sorry for Azriel-Gargamel's cat who being the only one who's truely there for Gargamel is always abused and blamed when something goes wrong. Yet-you know that deep inside his cruel,twisted heart-Gargamel loves Azriel-although he's never actually told the poor cat this.
Poor cat always having to put up with his master's eccentric behavior.
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Bugs Bunny cartoons are not supposed to feature a lisping Viking rabbit hunter enthusiastically professing his operatic love for a bunny in drag.
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