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Hi, there was a cartoon show called Garfield and Friends, any thoughts and opinions on it?
Ok, as for me, well all i can say (i have seen the show a lot of times when i was a kid when i watched it on YTV in 1999- early 2002 and when i rented it on DVD in October 2004 and since, exactly one example sums up all just for me, no doubts guys. ) is that i actually find this show to me much more times hapazardly worse than the regular comics by Jim Davis and even the original specials, namely exactly in terms of Writing and yes Art Direction and Animation too, i mean come on, the animation in these things are obivously stiff, wobbly, and extremely rubbish, even here Wang's (i'm not saying their a bad studio or anything like that, but i'm just citing the reputation i heard of them on shows like Tiny Toon Adventures and Mighty Mouse, namely the thick lined stuff and that, but here this is a diffrent story) stuff is extremely noticable (this doesn't really attempt to do 40s full style animation ala Animanaics and Darkwing Duck, just trying to be it's own self), right down to the lumpy, boiling, and rather nauesous execution (if you don't belive my opinion that i find this show's general art direction to be rotten compared to the regular comics, i'm going to post a picture plus one by Jim Davis himself to prove it), the Art Direction was extremely horrible, i mean come on, if you've read the regular strips, you will find that Jim Davis' own drawings have more variety (psst, Floyd - Squeak, which sums up all in one because after that it just goes on and on and on and not worth mentioning either) and even more life and action than this, a few times when it does attempt it's own vareity (including the highest it could only get) it's usually pretty much all standard typical wretched Saturday Morning Made-For-TV crap that is pretty amateur and the drawing level looks like that of a immature crazy 8 year old (no offense, sorry guys, really) and it was also one of the factors that led to an era (mostly the 1990s, really) of stuff that was really eye twitching defiently (namely the non-Disney, Nickelodeon-Ren and Stimpy- Spumco type junk that continues to poison Canadian animation namely stuff like Wayside, Scaredy Squirrel and Spliced and just plain badly drawn stuff that is extremely child-made like The Simpsons, Family Guy, Rocko's Modern Life and Hey Arnold, i actually drew from those shows when i was around 6-8 took place in roughly 2001-2003 and even though my drawings of those shows no longer are around, i betcha from memory that i drew them perfect, if i saw those i did, and compared them to the actual shows i could say at the time is that i think i drew those perfectly as a kid).
And as for the writing, well Mark Evainer is exactly obviously involved in this (even Jim Davis wrote a few himself too), and he himself is really extrodalily talented, i do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings, nor offend them, and if did, i'm extremely sorry, but i find the writing here to be typically hackish dated crummy 1970s-1980s Hanna Barbera type junk that really consists of extremely boring and lame as watching paint dry cliched Saturday Morning type plots that really do no justice to Jim Davis' regular well written material of the comic strip and other times it's just irrating, brutal and unwatchable stories featuring the most irrating characters and songs (spastic and un-hummable tunes, exending to the theme tunes of the intros execpt the seinfeld type one which i find to be pretty cool) imaginable (come on, Nermal has a shrill and "Look at me, I'm doing a Cartoon character" annoying voice, Voice Actors would never pinch their noses for cartoon voices unless a character smells something bad like a Skunk, the type of voice Nermal has those are defiently Pretend Cartoon Voices in it's only form ever, The Buddy Bears, Bananna Nose, Wade You're Afraid, Friends are there - Stop Please, gimme a rest, heavens to murgatroyd) and while i jive and execrise to Ed Bogas' and Dessire Goyttee's jazzy and catchy theme tunes set to the strains of the talented blues voice of Lou Rawls as in the specials, This is most certainly not the case here, instead the Theme Tunes here are just extremely UNBEARABLE and really typical cliched saturday morning theme tune stuff (ala the terrible 1986 Dennis The Menace cartoon and Walter-Melon which even if you've have not read the original Achille Talon stuff from 1962, is actually pretty much like this show).
But i will give a few GOOD points i have with it, we at least still have the fabuolous Lorenzo Music as Garfield and Thom Huge's gidderselve talented cartoonist type voice (which would be assocated most likey if you meet a cartoonist like, say, EVEN Ralph Bakshi) for Jon Arbuckle, and sometimes you get great actors (even the old celebrity guys who've managed to live very long) like Don Knotts, James Earl Jones (hey he did me in The Lion King), Gary Owens and Paul Winchell.
BUT, as for the Art Direction and Animation being worse than that of Jim Davis' comic strip i'll show you the pictures right now, be sure to click on the inline attachments as i'm only that of an apprentice ranking here.
Whoops, looks like i'm done here and said everything i could say, all my memories and stuff i have with the show will forever be summed in one here, and i'm leaving this show alone permanently (never ever looking back), so let's hear your opinions and say on this.
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Dec 31, 2011, 10:53 PM
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See, I always liked G&F because I thought it was the best foray into animation that Garfield had experienced. I think it matched the look and tone of the various TV specials, which made for a good transition. I also liked the introduction (for me, anyway) of U.S. Acres. It wasn't carried here in any of the newspapers, so I didn't know anything about it until I saw it on the cartoon.
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Jan 1, 2012, 8:52 AM
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Funny, a lot of people I know (including my now 25-year-old younger brother) loved Garfield and Friends. I didn't mind the show's animation (as Kris pointed out, G&F had more or less the same animation as the TV specials, which was pretty decent for television) or the show's writing. My only complaints about Garfield & Friends were really nitpicks:
For one, I thought the writers tended to break the 4th wall a little too much; I have no problem with Looney Tunes style madness (which was what the show seemed to be going for), I just feel that meta references are best taken in small doses; they're funniest when they're few and far between, IMO.
For another, I never got why the character of Bo from the U.S. Acres strips had a different personality than he had in the comic strip. In the strip, Bo was an eternally optimistic dimwit, but on the show he had a more laid back 'surfer dude' persona, which again I didn't mind, but again it was just weird how different Bo acted on the show.
Finally, Desiree Goyette's voicing of Nermal caused animation's biggest case of gender confusion since Tweety Bird. Let's be blunt, since Nermal was voiced by a woman who didn't try to disguise her voice in any way, a lot of viewers who grew up watching the show thought Nermal was a girl. I probably would've thought so too if I hadn't been reading the strips beforehand. Again like Tweety, Nermal could have worked as a girl, but officially he's a guy. This is probably why on Garfield's second TV show, The Garfield Show, Nermal is voiced by a man, Jason Marsden.
But nitpicks aside, I'd say Garfield & Friends was a far cry from haphazardly awful, in fact most people I've spoken to remember the show quite fondly.
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Jan 1, 2012, 3:11 PM
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Interesting, Starbrust, however i will admit (sort of taking a little back from what i said earlier) that the original intro and theme tune of the intro is actually pretty good and seemingly catchy in it's own way and it is good to think positive and cheerful, but however in some ways it's a little forced to me now, but still.
And your say on the animation, well the animation in the intro is defiantly exactly on par with at least the constant TV Specials, the artists here did an excellent job at capturing the life and energy from Jim Davis' regular work as Garfield is exactly close to looking like the regular self from the comics, not to mention the art direction is much better and cleaner too (unlike that twitching eyesore picture that i posted from the actual shows which indeed half responsibility goes to Wang Film Productions who animated all of this series from 1988 to 1995 which is on the side that makes it worse.)
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Well, I think that with Garfield & Friends the shows' producers seemed to be aiming for a Looney Tunes style sketch comedy/skitcom format rather than weekly versions of the comic strips, which is closer to what the prime-time specials aimed for. This is why there was so much meta humor going on in the TV show, although I have to wonder how Garfield is going to to be able to give a lecture to an audience when he can't talk. I can appreciate the recurring characters of The Buddy Bears more now that since learned the story behind their creation; the Buddy Bears were created in response to the actual rule that many SatAM writers were forced to adhere to at the time: The Complainer is Always Wrong. The Buddy Bears were intended to be the ultimate parody of this trope. And even though I found the recurring character of Binky the Clown to be a tad overdone, and also that it was basically the same thing every time, I must admit that I found some of the "Screaming with Binky" segments to be kind of funny.
Regarding the U.S.Acres segments, like Starburst, I likewise wondered why the TV show had this laid back, chilled version of Bo instead of the cheerful-to-the-point-of-being-almost-demented Bo that was in the comic strip, but I didn't complain because I actually preferred the TV version of Bo. Reportedly, even Jim Davis himself was OK with the change. And it seemed as though the late Howard Morris was having fun voicing Wade the Duck. My biggest complaint about U.S.Acres was that from a design standpoint, there was an overabundance of the color white. Except for Orson and Booker, almost all of the main cast was made up predominately of white feathers or wool. There could have been some reds, blacks or even some only found in cartoons animal colors like blue or purple.
Garfield & Friends wasn't my number 1 show back in the day, but I'll concede that it was better than many of the SatAM cartoons that were on at the time. Many of the viewers at home apparently felt this way also, since G&F did so well in the ratings that CBS later expanded the series from 30 minutes to 60 minutes.
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Ooh, Speaking of Binky the Clown, it should be noted that he actually made his first full appearance in the TV Specials (Garfield's Halloween) before he appeared in the comics on September 1986.
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Jan 2, 2012, 10:49 AM
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You're very conservative with your use of periods, Lion55. :P
I quite liked "Garfield and Friends." As SpaceDemon said, I thought it was much better than other Saturday Morning stuff. The singing in the U.S Acres episodes becomes a bit too much and cheesy at times, but I quite liked that stories. Mark Evanier was a great writer. I liked the mix of episodes, stretching from Jon's dating life to a Garfield/Odie episode to a Nermal episode, etc. As for the animation, it may have started off weak in earlier seasons, but certainly improved as the series progressed.
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Jan 3, 2012, 8:36 PM
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I love "Garfield and Friends"! That was the reason why I wouldn't want to go anywhere on a Saturday!
It's one of the many shows I would watch and NOT Hate even if I watched it 1000 times!
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Jan 4, 2012, 12:43 PM
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Oh, of the history from this show, i recall that the Seventh Season from 1994-1995 was the last one produced because the network CBS wanted to cut the budget of how the show was being produced- one of them meant less cells of Animation (meaning less frames, then making the whole animation and movement even a hundred times more worse than what we already got), even cheaper and even lower quality backgrounds and less colors as well, i think the whole concern was the visual execution of the show, eventually the producers at Film Roman nixed, as in, refused and rejected this proposal, so they eventually somehow had CBS agree to permanently end production of the show for good!
Actually, for them and the network's good if they wanted to keep the show going well into Lorenzo Music's death in 2001, they could have at the last minitue gone digital, that is, Digital Ink and Paint and entirely on Computer and therefore further abandonment of cells, even if Digital Execution wasn't too common in 1994, it was in the same year certainly starting to improve to it's current clean look in TV animation, so i wonder why they didn't just go and start using computers for the animation instead when it would actually be something that could keep the show going in production?
And also how would you guys have felt IF the show actually DID start to abandon cells altogether for it's eight season which would have been in 1995-1996 and completely used computers and directly to video tape instead, let's hear your thoughts on THAT!
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Jan 4, 2012, 1:59 PM
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Oh, of the history from this show, i recall that the Seventh Season from 1994-1995 was the last one produced because the network CBS wanted to cut the budget of how the show was being produced- one of them meant less cells of Animation (meaning less frames, then making the whole animation and movement even a hundred times more worse than what we already got), even cheaper and even lower quality backgrounds and less colors as well, i think the whole concern was the visual execution of the show, eventually the producers at Film Roman nixed, as in, refused and rejected this proposal, so they eventually somehow had CBS agree to permanently end production of the show for good!
Actually, for them and the network's good if they wanted to keep the show going well into Lorenzo Music's death in 2001, they could have at the last minitue gone digital, that is, Digital Ink and Paint and entirely on Computer and therefore further abandonment of cells, even if Digital Execution wasn't too common in 1994, it was in the same year certainly starting to improve to it's current clean look in TV animation, so i wonder why they didn't just go and start using computers for the animation instead when it would actually be something that could keep the show going in production?
And also how would you guys have felt IF the show actually DID start to abandon cells altogether for it's eight season which would have been in 1995-1996 and completely used computers and directly to video tape instead, let's hear your thoughts on THAT!
I dunno...
Because E/I was also part of the scenario in 1995 and 1996, so it could've ended "Garfield and Friends".
I hope "Garfield and Friends" would return...not something like "The Garfield Show"!
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Jan 4, 2012, 6:34 PM
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[I dunno...
Because E/I was also part of the scenario in 1995 and 1996, so it could've ended "Garfield and Friends".
I hope "Garfield and Friends" would return...not something like "The Garfield Show"! ]
The Garfield Show!?, i know what you mean, that wretched and disguising CGI television show, for goodness sake CGI is so extremely overused nowadays and it is something that should be forbidden forever in my eyes exactly, but i've actually got nothing wrong with Computers JUST as long if it's used as a digital vector image outputting and filming of REAL and TRUE in it's only form ever 3-D (talking about stuff like GUMBY and Wallace and Gromit).
CGI is also extremely fake, complicated (c'mon it requires mapping i.e wire frames and tileframes and other related junk that guaranties occasional slowdown by pixelation grain static and extreme choppiness by unnecessary flicker inbetween frames) and really expensive too (really depends on outsourcing nowadays specifically in Asia to countries like Japan and India as i've heard former GAC member Dandu say about CGI once).
Anyways RIGHT back on topic, hmmm, E/I you say, if this did not affect all U.S channels at the time, Paws Inc and Film Roman should have both eventually taken the rights away from CBS and then instead make a deal with another channel which did not have E/I or if this whole E/I thing plagued all the broadcast networks at this time, they could have then instead produced this defiantly mostly for Cartoon Network and just kept going there, you know what i mean?
And The Garfield Show, now the art direction on THAT one is also pretty bad in comparison to the comics as well, it's rather sloppy, BUT it still adhered closer to the comics than that of Garfield and Friends (which on my first post, mentioned that the art direction was extremely lousy and really really hideous compared to the comics just in my own opinion.), and the voice of Nermal was easy to tolerate (Jason Marsden was a much better and more easy to tolerate voice than Desiree Goytee's obnoxious pretentious voice portrayal than the previous show) that still doesn't mean that Garfield Show was still terrible all around, for example we defiantly exactly don't have Lorenzo Music as Garfield with us anymore, Frank Welker does his best, it's even better than Jim Davis' shrill, irritating and ear bleeding performance (no offense to Jim Davis who has an awesome voice at all, if i did offend i'm extremely sorry) as Garfield in 12 Days of Christmas that shows up every year on the Garfield site on Christmas, but it still paled in comparision to Music's fabulous performance as Garfield and Welker's performace of Garfield was on par with his Scooby Doo from What's New Scooby Doo, really close to their former respected actors but always mostly came off a little dopey and a little off at times, know what i mean?
and Wally Wingert's voice of Jon is apparently the same too, but it's actually extremely bland and sterile sounding to Thom Huge's wonderful gidderselve cartoonist type sound voice to Jon in the previous show, just about the only actor reprising his role is that of Gregg Berger.
The visual execution specifically, the writing and everything of that show STINKS!!!  , i haven't watched a lot of it and i'm never going to bother at all ever and forget it even exists.
And Garfield and Friends vs Garfield Show, well ever since and as of now even, i consider it a tie, both stink ever so rotten compared to the original Jim Davis comics only just in my humble opinion, just about the only things that have ever come close to matching and equaling the regular comics both in visual execution and writing and everything (including all the good things of Garfield and Friends and Garfield Show) were the original specials between 1982 and 1989, both Garfield's Feline Fantasies and Garfield Gets a Life were actually exactly on the exact same level as Garfield and Friends in terms of execution and art direction and with that in mind dropped very significantly and drastically in quality (though the writing was still good) compared to the earlier specials and keep in mind this is just all in my opinion.
Also you did not answer what the show would have been like it the visual execution (also the animation) was done entirely on the computer with no cells whatsoever.
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(This post was edited by Lion55 on Jan 4, 2012, 8:17 PM)
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CGI is also extremely fake (due to how improved computers are gives the ability to make it super duper ultra detailed characters.
How is being detailed fake?
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Jan 4, 2012, 7:43 PM
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So, detailed CGI is fake-looking? Does this mean that latter-day Disney projects such as Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons and Tangled and the Pixar films also look fake?
No offense, Lion, but your commentaries are hard for me to read through or take seriously since it's become quite obvious that you play favorites. You seem very quick and eager to dump on every cartoon's art and animation style that isn't that of Disney. The recurring attitude that keeps coming up in these 'review' threads is (or seems to be) "It's not Disney, so therefore it stinks!" Case in point, in an earlier post in this thread you slammed Rocko's Modern Life simply because of its' drawing style, when it's the humble opinion of this not-so-humble poster that Rocko is simply THE best thing that Nickelodoen has ever put on the air, ever. It had just the right mix of adult subversiveness and wacky slapstick humor, and its' animation style didn't have to copy that of Disney in order to do so.
Every cartoon and cartoon studio doesn't have to ape Disney's style in order to be quality. Take Rocky & Bullwinkle. R&B didn't have great animation, or even good animation, but it was one of the best written shows on TV. I have my favorite toons and animation studios also, but I'm still open to others and I don't write anything not made by my favorite studios off as trash.
You're entitled to prefer whichever studio's work you prefer of course, but it seems to me that you're putting everything into a very small and pretentious box if you simply categorize everything as "Disney=quality" and "Not Disney=crap". Are there any non-Disney cartoons that you actually like?
Regarding The Garfield Show: it's not that bad. The CG is a little smooth and the characters have a plasticky sheen to them, making them look like bathtub toys, and it's a little strange how Garfield's lips move when he's not supposed to be able to talk (made even stranger by how on occasion other characters, including humans, respond directly to Garfield's thoughts), but overall, I've seen much, much worse.
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(This post was edited by Starburst on Jan 4, 2012, 8:09 PM)
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Whoops, really sorry about that, i did not see that coming, i really gotta have a more positive sense of attitude when i criticize things one way or another, and i actually do like some Disney really i do, and i did NOT really mean to start a flame war guys, i really did not intend things to go this way, really and as for the Disney projects and Pixar, well they do not look fake AT ALL, really, and they AREN'T.
There are other reasons why i don't really like Rocko, for one thing i don't really find it appropriate especially all the adult inneudo (no offense, please, just IMHO),
And i actually like do like some of Jay Ward's cartoons and find some of them to be well drawn, like the Ugly Duckling and even Dudley Do Right, both were well animated even better than some of H-B's stuff at the time.
And i actually DO like a lot of non-Disney cartoons, it isn't that i'm obsessed with Disney (even though i am associated with them), it's just that i have serious problems with CGI, really and mainly because that it is extremely overused over hand drawn animation and even stop motion clay (even puppet) animation that i got really getting tired of it in general and the fake-looking stuff i'm talking about and citing is stuff like Mars Needs Moms and video games like Left 4 Dead, if you want things to look and be exactly real, there's live action (which is also cheaper than animation) for that, know what i mean, and yes i also understand that being detailed most of the time does not mean fake, sorry.
and i'll apologize for my so called reviews have been really hard for you (and the others, even non users) to read and follow through and to take seriously , hopefully i will try to do no more "It's not Disney so therefore it stinks" attitude in my threads anymore, i will also try to keep that kind of attitude out of discussion and now i will try to make my posts to make it easier for you and the others to read easily and take seriously when you need to.
Sorry about all of the drama, hopefully we can go back fully on topic, okay with you guys  .
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^I Hope you got my message, Lion55...
I could paste you quote, but my computer died and I'm using my PS3 for bloggin' and It's sooooo limited.
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Reading the message, it did help a lot and since so and so disagreeing with so and so is extremely natural, that did not bother me one bit at all, execpt for the parts of what we don't talk about ones that can get us banned from here, but it still helped.
Now then, permanently back on topic for good, i will say this once, but never ever again, you guys also forgot to mention how the show (Garfield and Friends) would have been like if it used computers (i.e Digital ink and paint) in place of cell work.
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There are other reasons why i don't really like Rocko, for one thing i don't really find it appropriate especially all the adult inneudo (no offense, please, just IMHO),
I'm not trying to derail this thread, but the fact that Joe Murray and his team managed to sneak the "questionable" content past the radar and get it aired on Nickelodeon, of all places is part of what made Rocko's Modern Life so cool. It seems to me that you dislike Rocko for the same reasons why myself and others loved the show. I think that Rocko's Modern Life was a cool show because of the "inappropriate content", not in spite of it. Rocko was a great show because like Looney Tunes and Rocky & Bullwinkle, it appealed to kids and adults alike, so it succeeded on more then one level. Kids laughed at the goofy creatures doing and saying silly things, and then understand the "naughty" bits when they get older. Rocko was, in my opinion, the single best Nicktoon produced to date. Period.
Also, I must disagree with the statement that Disney is only studio that makes CGI not look fake. Dreamworks and Aardman both do quite good with their CGI animation. I'm not the biggest fan of DreamWorks' films (Except for Kung-Fu Panda and Over the Hedge, which I didn't like as much as KFP, but that was OK also), but that's because I'm not overly fond of most of the content, not because of the animation.
Back on topic. The Garfield Show has an altogether different look and feel from Garfield & Friends, despite both TV shows being based on the same comic strip. Where G&F tried to be very Looney Tunes-esque in it's approach. TGS is a more conventional animated series, with just 2 back-to-back Garfield shorts and no added attractions or intermissions. The Garfield Show isn't great and the animation is OK, despite the characters looking like living bathtub toys, but TGS isn't terrible either. I've seen better than TGS, but I've seen worse also. I could watch it as an alternative to nothing, but it's not something that I'd go out of my way to watch.
(Garfield and Friends) would have been like if it used computers (i.e Digital ink and paint) in place of cell work.
I really couldn't say, but ultimately, does that even matter? All that should matter (to me, at least) is if in the end, Garfield & Friends was a fun, entertaining program, which it was. Who cares whether G&F had used cells or computers or whatever? I don't like how every show is animated, but I've never chosen to avoid a show solely because of how it's animated.
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Feb 25, 2012, 5:24 PM
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LOL Quack-Up I was going to say something. I can't read everything from Lion but he seems smart and passionate. I do disagree with him on Garfield though. This cartoon was great. Every season got better without ever making any wholesale changes. It was only canceled because the NFL got back on CBS or something like that...I don't remember exactly.
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WOW, BloodyChamp, your reply on this pretty old thread was REALLY unexpected and pretty sudden, and i can tell you one of the factors on the cancellation on this show from production was apparently CBS wanting to cut the budget on this show or end production all together with Film Roman agreeing with the latter, and the fact (to quote our friend Mr Clevland here) that E/I being apparently part of the scenario at that point since 1990, amazing THAT the show managed to run from it's third season there without any problems or effects there.
Hmmm, well, actually mainly, i still actually really LIKE Garfield comic strips and even a large portion of the specials, and summing up all my previous thoughts, I don't really like this show as much as back in 2004 when i was into Garfield all around along with Charlie Brown (replacing my "Mario Obsession" which is exactly for me akin to John K with his Bob Clampett and even Hanna-Barbera obsession), it doesn't quite hold up well for me as im getting older and older, and even something on Garfield and Friends, i can instantly tell a lot of shortcomings in the art direction and even some of the writing and the music, BUT one thing i DO like about it and has still managed to hold up for me is that the voice acting is still the exact same GREAT voices as in the specials and the Friends are There intro animation and art wise is a perfect continuation of the specials, and is also perfect in capturing the exact charm and feel of the Jim Davis strips in the exact same period and even the more recent ones!.
But it's absolutely FINE with me if you both agree and disagree with my opinions though, we are ALL entitled to our own self-opinions and it's good to express them out in how we feel and stuff, and also maybe it actually WASN'T a good idea to reply to the mention of The Garfield Show here in this thread, the BEST solution would have been to start another thread about it and ALSO at that exact moment i had watched a bit of Garfield Gets Real in which the Garfield Show's style apparently came from  , that way it would have immediately prevented this thread becoming a little sour and unreadable in the middle, guess i was a little too forced and quite sloppy and really obnoxious, my bad  ....
But, notice that my communication here is starting to immediately improve, see any signs? .
let's RE-start.
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Everything the Light Touches Is Our Kingdom.
ROAR!, Confound it, Kiddies, Don't miss my Cartoon Show! - King Leonardo.
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Inbetweener
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Mar 16, 2012, 3:25 PM
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Re: Garfield and Friends (1988-1995) Your Thoughts?
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WOW, BloodyChamp, your reply on this pretty old thread was REALLY unexpected and pretty sudden, and i can tell you one of the factors on the cancellation on this show from production was apparently CBS wanting to cut the budget on this show or end production all together with Film Roman agreeing with the latter, and the fact (to quote our friend Mr Clevland here) that E/I being apparently part of the scenario at that point since 1990, amazing THAT the show managed to run from it's third season there without any problems or effects there. Hmmm, well, actually mainly, i still actually really LIKE Garfield comic strips and even a large portion of the specials, and summing up all my previous thoughts, I don't really like this show as much as back in 2004 when i was into Garfield all around along with Charlie Brown (replacing my "Mario Obsession" which is exactly for me akin to John K with his Bob Clampett and even Hanna-Barbera obsession), it doesn't quite hold up well for me as im getting older and older, and even something on Garfield and Friends, i can instantly tell a lot of shortcomings in the art direction and even some of the writing and the music, BUT one thing i DO like about it and has still managed to hold up for me is that the voice acting is still the exact same GREAT voices as in the specials and the Friends are There intro animation and art wise is a perfect continuation of the specials, and is also perfect in capturing the exact charm and feel of the Jim Davis strips in the exact same period and even the more recent ones!. But it's absolutely FINE with me if you both agree and disagree with my opinions though, we are ALL entitled to our own self-opinions and it's good to express them out in how we feel and stuff, and also maybe it actually WASN'T a good idea to reply to the mention of The Garfield Show here in this thread, the BEST solution would have been to start another thread about it and ALSO at that exact moment i had watched a bit of Garfield Gets Real in which the Garfield Show's style apparently came from, that way it would have immediately prevented this thread becoming a little sour and unreadable in the middle, guess i was a little too forced and quite sloppy and really obnoxious, my bad.... But, notice that my communication here is starting to immediately improve, see any signs? ACTUALLY Lion when you start another THREAD about a THREAD that already exists then someBODY will just sarcastically POST the LINK to that THREAD then a MOD will tell you you should have just BUMPED that THREAD.
(This post was edited by peterhale on Mar 17, 2012, 1:21 AM)
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Inbetweener
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Mar 16, 2012, 7:57 PM
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Re: Garfield and Friends (1988-1995) Your Thoughts?
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Whoops, my bad   , now i get what you're saying, sort of, apologies for any harm done!.
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Everything the Light Touches Is Our Kingdom.
ROAR!, Confound it, Kiddies, Don't miss my Cartoon Show! - King Leonardo.
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