Supervising Animator
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Oct 28, 2007, 10:54 PM
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If Disney made a new Fantasia,...
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What cartoon segments would you like to see?
I would have from the 1940 version "The Sorcerr's Apprentace", "Pastoral Symphony", and "Dance of the Hours"
From the 2000 version, I would use "Pomp and Circumstance" though I don't like Elgar.
And I would have six new segments. I would like to see Goofy in one with "1812 Overture" as the song.
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Thank God for kids who love obscure things-Lee Hazelwood (1929-2007)
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Directing Animator
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Oct 29, 2007, 8:51 AM
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I personally would not like to see a new Fantasia, just because Disney did such a crappy job. IMHO, on Fantasia 2000.
Things I did not like about Fantasia 2000:
1. The "Pines of Rome" segment... just what the hell do flying whales have to do with pine trees, anyway?!
2. There were too many references/comparisons to the original Fantasia; plus there were too many well-known personalities (Bette Midler, Steve Martin, et al) introducing the individual segments. I personally thought that this just confused matters and cluttered things up. Less is more. They should have just stuck to one well-known commentator (I would have picked David Ogden Stiers, myself) throughout the proceedings.
3. I didn't like Disney's choice of Music Director/Orchestra: in the past I've enjoyed James Levine's opera performances with the Metropolitan Opera; but I don't think much of him in his performances of the standard orchestral repertoire. I personally was against his being made Music Director of the Boston Symphony Orchestra. The Chicago Symphony Orchestra is a great orchestra (still one of the nation's top five), but I would have picked Michael Tilson Thomas with the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra (of which he is Principal Conductor), simply because he has a better camera presence. He did a great job in Chuck Jones' TV special, Bugs and Daffy's Carnival of the Animals (soon to be released as a bonus feature in LTGC5), and he was host of a musical appreciation series for kids that aired on PBS in the 1970's. He also has recently made a critically-acclaimed series of music performance DVD's with the SFSO.
My personal feeling is that, more often than not, you really can't improve upon a classic movie.
I am hoping, however, that Disney DVD will see fit to release a Platinum Edition of the original Fantasia (the original "Roadshow" version) and include as a bonus feature the deleted "Clair de Lune" segment.
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(This post was edited by zavkram on Oct 29, 2007, 8:53 AM)
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Supervising Animator
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Oct 29, 2007, 2:41 PM
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I personally would not like to see a new Fantasia, just because Disney did such a crappy job. IMHO, on Fantasia 2000.
Things I did not like about Fantasia 2000:
1. The "Pines of Rome" segment... just what the hell do flying whales have to do with pine trees, anyway?!
2. There were too many references/comparisons to the original Fantasia; plus there were too many well-known personalities (Bette Midler, Steve Martin, et al) introducing the individual segments. I personally thought that this just confused matters and cluttered things up. Less is more. They should have just stuck to one well-known commentator (I would have picked David Ogden Stiers, myself) throughout the proceedings.
3. I didn't like Disney's choice of Music Director/Orchestra: in the past I've enjoyed James Levine's opera performances with the Metropolitan Opera; but I don't think much of him in his performances of the standard orchestral repertoire. I personally was against his being made Music Director of the Boston Symphony Orchestra. The Chicago Symphony Orchestra is a great orchestra (still one of the nation's top five), but I would have picked Michael Tilson Thomas with the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra (of which he is Principal Conductor), simply because he has a better camera presence. He did a great job in Chuck Jones' TV special, Bugs and Daffy's Carnival of the Animals (soon to be released as a bonus feature in LTGC5), and he was host of a musical appreciation series for kids that aired on PBS in the 1970's. He also has recently made a critically-acclaimed series of music performance DVD's with the SFSO.
My personal feeling is that, more often than not, you really can't improve upon a classic movie.
I am hoping, however, that Disney DVD will see fit to release a Platinum Edition of the original Fantasia (the original "Roadshow" version) and include as a bonus feature the deleted "Clair de Lune" segment.
Often Imitated, never dupilicated. That's what they say. Is the Cleveland Orchestra up in the top-5? (Because one of the many Cleveland Jokes is that both Cleveland and the Titanic sunk, only Cleveland had the better orchestra. And if you see the above the avatar, that's what they named it.)
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Thank God for kids who love obscure things-Lee Hazelwood (1929-2007)
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Key Animator
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Oct 29, 2007, 7:43 PM
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2. There were too many references/comparisons to the original Fantasia; plus there were too many well-known personalities (Bette Midler, Steve Martin, et al) introducing the individual segments. I personally thought that this just confused matters and cluttered things up. Less is more. They should have just stuck to one well-known commentator (I would have picked David Ogden Stiers, myself) throughout the proceedings.
I thought Angela Lansbury was the main host cause didn't we see her a few times? When I saw it I was like 'ZOMG ANGELA LANSBURY!!!!'
Angela rocks!
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Scoober Gear
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Animator / Contributor
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Oct 29, 2007, 11:25 PM
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 Please! PERISH THE THOUGHT!! Let's prevent the current Disney people from doing another FANTASIA till they've at least taken a few hints from Bruno Bozzetto & HIS animators......IMO: ALLEGRO NON TROPPO, even though it's a parody, is really the true sequel to the original FANTASIA, proving once & for all that imitation's the sincerest form of flattery.
It's inexplicable why the late-90s Disney crew couldn't do something as roaringly funny as the Dvorak "Slavonic Dance #7" sequence, or as heartwrenching as the Sibelius "Valse Triste" segment.
And Disney sure had gall to do its own Stravinsky "Infernal Dance" after Bozzetto's gang did it to perfection.
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"UGGA-UGGA-BOO,
UGGA-BOO-BOO,
UGGA!" --Mel Blanc & Hans Conried
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Directing Animator
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Oct 30, 2007, 11:40 AM
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I thought Angela Lansbury was the main host cause didn't we see her a few times? When I saw it I was like 'ZOMG ANGELA LANSBURY!!!!'
Angela rocks! I believe that James Earl Jones was actually the host of the entire proceedings, although I'm sure Angela Lansbury (who had starred in Bedknobs and Broomsticks and had recently voiced Mrs. Potts in Beauty and the Beast) was also featured as a guest commentator. In reply to MC about the Cleveland Orchestra; yes it is still one of the top 5 (the others are Chicago, Boston, New York and Philadelphia) in the U.S. I forget who the Music Director is over there now; is it still Christoph von Dohnanyi? You know what I can't figure out... why Disney never sought to do a musical collaboration with Leonard Bernstein in the 1950's and 60's, when he was at his artistic peak with the NY Philharmonic. His was a household name at that time, as his "Young People's Concerts" and "Omnibus" television progams which aired on CBS were extremely popular. Of course, during the 1960's, Disney was only just beginning to recoup his losses on the original Fantasia, so maybe he didn't want to risk making another classical music film. ------------------------- "I'd like to cover you with furs and automobiles!"
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Animator / Contributor
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Oct 30, 2007, 11:33 PM
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FRANZ WELSER-MOST is the current Cleveland Orchestra director.
He's been with them six seasons now; they've only recently put out their first CD (as an example of how rock-bottom the CD business is now).
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"UGGA-UGGA-BOO,
UGGA-BOO-BOO,
UGGA!" --Mel Blanc & Hans Conried
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Supervising Animator
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Nov 1, 2007, 11:10 AM
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Please! PERISH THE THOUGHT!! Let's prevent the current Disney people from doing another FANTASIA till they've at least taken a few hints from Bruno Bozzetto & HIS animators...... IMO: ALLEGRO NON TROPPO, even though it's a parody, is really the true sequel to the original FANTASIA, proving once & for all that imitation's the sincerest form of flattery. It's inexplicable why the late-90s Disney crew couldn't do something as roaringly funny as the Dvorak "Slavonic Dance #7" sequence, or as heartwrenching as the Sibelius "Valse Triste" segment. And Disney sure had gall to do its own Stravinsky "Infernal Dance" after Bozzetto's gang did it to perfection.
The only parody I know from 'Fantasia' would be Looney Tune's 'Corny Concerto'. (I think that's the right title.) Elmer Fudd's the orchestral director suffering from a few 'Wardrobe Malfunctions' and one segment was by Bugs Bunny and Porky Pig; the other was 'The Blue Danube' featuring a young Daffy Duck.
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Thank God for kids who love obscure things-Lee Hazelwood (1929-2007)
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Directing Animator / Contributor
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Nov 1, 2007, 1:47 PM
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The only parody I know from 'Fantasia' would be Looney Tune's 'Corny Concerto'. (I think that's the right title.) Elmer Fudd's the orchestral director suffering from a few 'Wardrobe Malfunctions' and one segment was by Bugs Bunny and Porky Pig; the other was 'The Blue Danube' featuring a young Daffy Duck.
Whether or not the black duck in "A Corny Concerto" is in fact Daffy has been the subject of much debate here on the forum. Opinions differ.
But this is the Disney folder, not the Warner Bros. folder. Let's not stray too far from the subject, 'kay?
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(This post was edited by Starburst on Nov 1, 2007, 1:49 PM)
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Supervising Animator
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Nov 1, 2007, 5:10 PM
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The only parody I know from 'Fantasia' would be Looney Tune's 'Corny Concerto'. (I think that's the right title.) Elmer Fudd's the orchestral director suffering from a few 'Wardrobe Malfunctions' and one segment was by Bugs Bunny and Porky Pig; the other was 'The Blue Danube' featuring a young Daffy Duck. Whether or not the black duck in "A Corny Concerto" is in fact Daffy has been the subject of much debate here on the forum. Opinions differ. But this is the Disney folder, not the Warner Bros. folder. Let's not stray too far from the subject, 'kay?
1000 apologies. I just got carried away with myself. I tend to do that, so don't mind me.
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Thank God for kids who love obscure things-Lee Hazelwood (1929-2007)
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Animator / Contributor
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Nov 4, 2007, 10:23 PM
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Actually, ALLEGRO NON TROPPO's been a LONG, longtime favorite of animation buffs around the world: a cult classic. It's been on DVD several years now, and I relish watching it each and every time. My only complaint about the film is that the live-action sequences were filmed in black and white, though this only amplifies the stunning color schemes Bozzetto's designers achieved. In the live-action bits, we see a bullheaded, Mussolini-type conductor, who leads an orchestra full of little old ladies (!!!!), and a quiet artist who sits by the sidelines offering his "visual interpretations" for us all--he's the character we come to sympathize with through the course of the picture.
You can always see individual portions on YouTube, like the ones I mentioned above:
The Dvorak "Slavonic Dance" segment:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rRH2iKFMlb8
....and the Sibelius "Valse triste" segment:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D3Blm2qWduY
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"UGGA-UGGA-BOO,
UGGA-BOO-BOO,
UGGA!" --Mel Blanc & Hans Conried
(This post was edited by dingdog on Nov 4, 2007, 10:24 PM)
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Directing Animator
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Nov 8, 2007, 7:18 PM
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I just ordered Allegro Non Troppo from Amazon; I can't wait to watch it!
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Inbetweener
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Nov 18, 2007, 4:50 PM
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Wait a minute--Disney first INTENDED Fantasia to be an ongoing project, with some old peices, and some new ones.
my opinion is that Fantasia 200 was one of the few sequals that was really up to snuff. No, I didn't think it was a good as the first one, all things considered, but it was still a great movie and lived up to the high standards of the earlier Disney.
Don't get me wrong. THere's plenty of stuff Disney is doing in recent nyears I can't stand--such as the fact that the Disney hannel is 99.9 percent teen comedies and nothing else. They haven't made any decent wildlife films or adventure movies for years to my knowledge. Why is this?
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Key Animator / Contributor
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Nov 18, 2007, 8:36 PM
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Disney first intended Fantasia to be an ongoing project, with some old pieces, and some new ones. Right on, Sleestakgod. Fantasia was made in the early years of the Disney studios, as were the classic fairy tale features. And it was intended to be updated every ten or twenty years, to keep the vision and expressionism alive and vibrant at Disney.
But as peterhale once pointed out, during Disney's early years, they were daring and imaginative, hoping to pioneer animation into uncharted territories.
However, with success and seniority came timidity and restraint. Today's Walt Disney Company has imploded into safe and secure productions, leaving the pioneering to newcomers like Pixar and Blue Sky, et alii.
It's uncertain at best whether Disney will make another Fantasia reprise. Disney management is focused squarely on profitability, not on creativity. It's up to the Newbies to explore the Wild Cartoon Yonder.
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Supervising Animator
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Mar 18, 2008, 12:02 AM
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I have a friend who likes "Fantasia 2000" more than "Fantasia".
I don't think I can watch "Fantasia 2000".
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Thank God for kids who love obscure things-Lee Hazelwood (1929-2007)
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Directing Animator / Contributor
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Mar 18, 2008, 7:35 AM
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The beginning of the Ren and Stimpy episode "Nurse Stimpy" had a Fantasia reference. The first movement of Beethoven's Sixth Symphony, Allegro ma non troppo, played when Stimpy woke up to a beautiful day. And on "Space Madness," the History Eraser Button scene had "Night on Bald Mountain" playing. And various scenes had either "Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies" or "Dance of the Reed Flutes" heard in the background, such as when Old Man Hunger posed as the Nerve-Ending Fairy on "Ren's Toothache."
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(This post was edited by WileECoyote on Mar 18, 2008, 7:36 AM)
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Zinc Saucier
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Mar 18, 2008, 10:45 PM
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I don't think I can watch "Fantasia 2000".
why is that, exactly?
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Apprentice
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Mar 19, 2008, 8:30 PM
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My grand-daughter and I have completely enjoyed Fantasia 2000. I enjoyed it because I didn't compare it to the original. I just watched it as a new movie. I particularly like Rhapsody In Blue and The Steadfast Tin Soldier.
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Inbetweener
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Mar 21, 2008, 5:33 AM
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I loved the Donald Duck and Daisy segment, aboard Noah's ark. That was the high spot
for me (and I'm glad they included "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" from the original film). A
very worthy sequel (in my opinion). I also liked the segment based on Al Hirschfeld's
marvelous caricatures. He is one of my all-time favorite artists.
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Supervising Animator
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Mar 22, 2008, 11:30 AM
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I don't think I can watch "Fantasia 2000". why is that, exactly?
It can never hold a candle to the original. And also that was the time when Michael Eisner was into making sequels.
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Thank God for kids who love obscure things-Lee Hazelwood (1929-2007)
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Zinc Saucier
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Mar 23, 2008, 10:32 PM
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So, you've basically already judged the film, without actually seeing it. Always a great idea. I would think that of most people, animation fans especially, should be the ones that are more open minded.
FYI, the person who ended up bringing F2K to the screen was Roy Disney, not Eisner.
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Key Animator
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Mar 24, 2008, 11:37 AM
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I found Fantasia 2000 to be very watchable and I thought it was great. Rhapsody in Blue was sensational.
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Supervising Animator
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Oct 25, 2011, 8:58 PM
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FRANZ WELSER-MOST is the current Cleveland Orchestra director.
He's been with them six seasons now; they've only recently put out their first CD (as an example of how rock-bottom the CD business is now).
That's the conductor!
And I keep hoping to try and see his orchestra on Labor Day Weekend, since The Cleveland Orchestra does a Special Concert at The Blossom Music Center!
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Thank God for kids who love obscure things-Lee Hazelwood (1929-2007)
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Intern
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Oct 31, 2011, 6:41 AM
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I would love to see an updated version of Fantasia. I have never seen the original.
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Directing Animator
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Nov 1, 2011, 1:22 AM
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I would love to see an updated version of Fantasia. I have never seen the original.
I think Disney recently released a Platinum Edition of the original 1940 film, if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure if this also includes "Fantasia 2000".
In addition, a number of different people have uploaded HD-quality excerpts from the film online.
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