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  LooneyTunian  

  Inbetweener

 Posted:
  Aug 1, 2012, 12:14 AM

     Looney Tunes At Work (film idea)  

Well guys, after much encouragement I decided to post my other idea for a Looney Tunes film since both Back in Town and Back in Business didn't work out.

It's called Looney Tunes At Work which is a live-action/animated mockumentary that goes "behind-the-scenes" at Warner Bros. Studios to see what it's like filming a cartoon featuring the classic characters complete with bloopers and "backstage material" which includes tons of self-referential humor to what Warner Bros. Studios has done with the cartoons in the past(racial stereotyping, political correctness, etc.). I don't have any characters or plotlines yet, but so far I have in mind to have the lead role written for Jim Carrey.

So what do you guys think? Do you like this idea? Why or why not? I look forward to hear from you guys! Smile

 
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  Starburst  

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  Aug 1, 2012, 6:58 AM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

It sounds like an interesting enough idea, but I don't think it needs to be a feature film; I could see something like this working as a single 7 to 11-minute short of at most a 30-minute TV special. I imagine the novelty would quickly wear off after a half hour.

Also, I'm not feeling that title. "Looney Tunes at Work"? It makes it sound like they're construction workers or something.

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(This post was edited by Starburst on Aug 1, 2012, 7:44 AM)
 
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  SpaceDemon  

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  Aug 1, 2012, 7:02 AM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

Eh, the behind-the-scenes bloopers idea has been done with "Blooper Bunny", and I second that this sounds like it would work better as a 6-10 minute short than a 60-90 minute film. "Blooper Bunny" was only 6 minutes long, so it didn't overstay it's welcome. This plot seems somewhat simplistic and it just doesn't seem to lend itself to a feature length format.

Also, how did your previous 2 ideas "not work out"? As I recall, "Back in Town" wasn't your idea to begin with, and "Back in Business" didn't work out because you didn't want to work on it; you kept waiting for other people to suggest ideas rather then doing any brainstorming yourself. BiB had problems, but it wasn't un-fixable. You just didn't want to do any actual work on the story.

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(This post was edited by SpaceDemon on Aug 1, 2012, 7:45 AM)
 
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  eminovitz  

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  Aug 1, 2012, 11:34 AM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

As Starburst said, nice idea, but it might not work beyond a short.

Decades ago, a couple of short cartoons explored the behind-the-scenes theme.

Famous Studios' Ghost Of Honor (1957) had Casper the Friendly Ghost telling a reporter how he became an animated cartoon star. He tells how he went to Paramount Studios to see how cartoons were made (best gag: the writers dozing off over their typewriters waiting for an idea). He scares the cartoon staff. When he meets up with the cartoon characters and makes friends with them, the studio decides to put him in his own series of cartoons. The Paramount Cartoon Studio is shown, and there are cameo appearances by Herman, Katnip, Spunky, Little Audrey, Baby Huey, Pal, Tommy Tortoise, Moe Hare, Wolfie and Buzzy The Crow.

And in the 1931 Aesop's Fable Making 'Em Move, from Van Beuren Studios, a sassy cat visits a cartoon studio and learns the mysteries of animation. The process involved in creating a film is portrayed through gag-like scenes, including drawing, looping, filming and sound. These lessons should not be taken too literally: there's a walking camera here, as well as a mouse who doubles as a pencil sharpener and other surprises. There are several "cartoon within a cartoon" sequences, including a brilliantly witty depiction of an animator creating a "flip book" of cels as a model poses for each page- he flips the book for us when he's done, revealing a sexy hula dance!

Even Winsor McCay's Gertie (1914) offered some inside jokes! In live action, it showed McCay at work, having (literally) barrels of ink delivered.

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(This post was edited by eminovitz on Aug 1, 2012, 11:35 AM)
 
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  LooneyTunian  

  Inbetweener

 Posted:
  Aug 1, 2012, 12:16 PM

     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

Well I'd let you guys know I did get the idea from "Blooper Bunny" because I loved the idea of behind-the-scenes stuff; but I also got the idea from my favorite show The Office(at least 7 seasons) because I liked the head interviews because I thought it'd be funny.

But if you guys don't like my idea and don't think it'd work well for a feature, here are some other ideas I got:
1. Change the format, make it like the old Schlesinger christmas reels with a voiceover(in my head it's done by Stan Freberg) and it shows us what the Toons do at Warner Bros. studios.
2.Make it like Arrested Development while still making it a mockumentary include music and the aforementioned voice over.
3. Alternate idea--it's similar to the old NBC show The Duck Factory(works well since I plan on having Jim Carrey in the lead role): Carrey is an aspiring artist, gets a job at WB studios, finds out the Toons are real to his shock, and as their new boss he must try to keep them in line like a workplace comedy.
 
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  SpaceDemon  

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  Aug 1, 2012, 1:40 PM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

Just for the record, I merely pointed out that the gag blooper reel idea has been done before and that your premise doesn't lend itself to a feature length film. I never said anything about not liking it. It has potential. A short or a half hour special with this premise could conceivably work, if done well.


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Alternate idea--it's similar to the old NBC show The Duck Factory(works well since I plan on having Jim Carrey in the lead role): Carrey is an aspiring artist, gets a job at WB studios, finds out the Toons are real to his shock, and as their new boss he must try to keep them in line like a workplace comedy.


Jim Carrey was just an unknown stand-up comic in the days of NBC's The Duck Factory, but he's a big movie star now. It's doubtful that anyone could convince Mr. Carey to agree to working on a TV series, and the average network couldn't afford to employ him. I think that it would be best to hire an unknown actor for his part. Still, it's not the worst idea I've ever heard.

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(This post was edited by SpaceDemon on Aug 1, 2012, 2:25 PM)
 
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  Starburst  

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  Aug 1, 2012, 2:07 PM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

As Ethan and Space Demon said, it's not that your idea is bad, just that the premise doesn't lend itself to a movie. Not surprising, seeing as how you were inspired by a 6 minute short and a half-hour sitcom. (And definitely work on that title; I'm not liking that at all.)

The Duck Factory-esque sitcom idea has potential, but let me ask you something: do you really need to use the Looney Tunes characters for it? You could just as easily create your own original characters for it; it could be like the late FOX/IFC sitcom Greg the Bunny, but with toons (and more suitable for a general audience, of course).

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  LooneyTunian  

  Inbetweener

 Posted:
  Aug 2, 2012, 12:16 AM

     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  


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Jim Carrey was just an unknown stand-up comic in the days of NBC's The Duck Factory, but he's a big movie star now. It's doubtful that anyone could convince Mr. Carey to agree to working on a TV series, and the average network couldn't afford to employ him. I think that it would be best to hire an unknown actor for his part. Still, it's not the worst idea I've ever heard.

Well, I didn't say I was doing this as a TV series. I said that the plot would be kindof similar to The Duck Factory as a homage to Jim Carrey's first role(who again I'm planning on writing it for because he's my most favorite actor). I prefer doing this as a feature film in lieu of a TV series because I would give it more time to develop the characters and not be constrained to a half hour special.


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Just for the record, I merely pointed out that the gag blooper reel idea has been done before and that your premise doesn't lend itself to a feature length film. I never said anything about not liking it. It has potential. A short or a half hour special with this premise could conceivably work, if done well.

Yeah, I knew the gag blooper reel idea had done before. And I wanted to do it like that because I thought that idea was genius and wanted to see the idea expanded to a live-action/animated world where cartoons are filmed like live-action productions(similar to Who Framed Roger Rabbit) and is all presented in a mockumentary format(while making it like "Blooper Bunny" but also like The Office with the head interviews).


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The Duck Factory-esque sitcom idea has potential, but let me ask you something: do you really need to use the Looney Tunes characters for it? You could just as easily create your own original characters for it; it could be like the late FOX/IFC sitcom Greg the Bunny, but with toons (and more suitable for a general audience, of course).

Well, it is suppose to be a Looney Tunes film and I am going to include original human characters so not really sure why you guys keep saying I'm not ever going to include original characters. And honesty--would you guys pay to go see the Looney Tunes give Jim Carrey hell? I would! Smile

And Starburst, I thought that "Looney Tunes At Work" was a good title because it was my take on the title "Men At Work" since it's going to involve a workplace. But if you honestly don't like it, what title would you give? Because in all honesty, it took me almost a year to come up with that idea(I came up with it before "Back in Town" and "Back in Business").
 
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  SpaceDemon  

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  Aug 2, 2012, 7:03 AM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  


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I prefer doing this as a feature film in lieu of a TV series because I would give it more time to develop the characters and not be constrained to a half hour special.


You can't develop characters that you don't own; you can only give your own interpretations of them, and as was said earlier, this premise seems too simplistic to be a feature film. Movies typically have more complex plots. There's (usually) some sort of major conflict that needs to be resolved, a rising and falling action, as well as some overall goal for the main characters to achieve, and based on what I've read so far, LTaW doesn't have any of those elements. Frankly, I just don't see how you could stretch something like this out for longer than an hour before it starts to get old.


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Well, it is suppose to be a Looney Tunes film and I am going to include original human characters so not really sure why you guys keep saying I'm not ever going to include original characters.


I don't see how it's "supposed" to be a Looney Tunes movie other than you just want it to be. This idea could conceivably work with any set of fictional characters, including original creations (which is what I would do. I also would do this as a TV series rather than a movie, but that's me). If you would rather use established characters, then just say that. Likewise, I don't how or why it has to be a movie, especially since you've already admitted that you have no plot or a complete cast as of yet.

And I wasn't counting human characters, as no one is going to tune in to a Looney Tunes movie to see them, but it's fine as long as you understand that as long as you insist on using the Looney Tunes characters, you can't do anything with your story other than post it on a public fan fiction website, because you don't own the LT characters, therefore you have no legal rights to them. Just as long as you understand that.

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(This post was edited by SpaceDemon on Aug 2, 2012, 8:03 AM)
 
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  zavkram  

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 Posted:
  Aug 2, 2012, 7:15 AM

     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

Why is it "supposed" to be a Looney Tunes film? You seem to be obsessed with rehashing the same, tired format of animated characters from Hollywood's golden age interacting with live-action ones. It's already been done... accept it and move on.

You initially said that you have no characters or actual plot; yet you're ready to cast a big-name star in a role that doesn't even exist on paper. Good night, nurse... if you're not beating the proverbial dead horse, you've got his sorry carcass standing behind the cart(!)

I agree with SpaceDemon... the reason your previous two projects "didn't work" was because you were incapable of writing even a rough draft of a shooting script. You seemed more content with letting others come up with ideas for you.

In fact, when I read your initial post I got the distinct impression that you were once again trying to get people to help you overcome your interminable writer's block.

Many here have given you sound advice on how to pursue your dream of becoming a professional screenwriter; but you don't seem to have taken any of it to heart. You keep pitching ideas for feature-length films without any apparent knowledge of how to competently develop those ideas into a well-crafted screenplay. You need to crawl first before you can walk.

Maybe you should put your screenwriting aspirations "on the back burner"; until such time when you've acquired the necessary skills, experience, and credibility to help you get your ideas on film.

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  zavkram  

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 Posted:
  Aug 2, 2012, 7:18 AM

     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

Just FYI... if this thread starts going in circles like the previous two, I'll suggest to the other moderators here that it be locked.

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(This post was edited by zavkram on Aug 2, 2012, 7:19 AM)
 
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  Starburst  

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  Aug 2, 2012, 7:23 AM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  


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Well, it is suppose to be a Looney Tunes film and I am going to include original human characters so not really sure why you guys keep saying I'm not ever going to include original characters.



Do what you want, but this idea really doesn't work as a movie, so I don't get how it's "supposed" to be one when it's not even based on a movie like like your previous ones were.

Nobody flocks to a Looney Tunes project for the live-action humans. The reason I suggested that you go with original cartoon characters instead is so you can actually do something with this project. Develop the characters and the story, and potentially profit from it. As long as you're using characters which you don't own nor have any rights to, this is nothing more than a fanfic.



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And honesty--wouldn't you guys pay to go see the Looney Tunes give Jim Carrey hell? I would!

To be honest, this is really just a rehash of your previous ideas: namely, the Looney Tunes interacting with big name live-actors, which has been done. The only difference is this time you have 1 particular big-name actor in mind and the plot is basically copying 2 TV sitcoms instead of another movie. I find it interesting how you never pass up an opportunity to call Looney Tunes: Back in Action a bomb when all of your movie ideas are basically rehashes of LT:BiA.


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And Starburst, I thought that "Looney Tunes At Work" was a good title because it was my take on the title "Men At Work" since it's going to involve a workplace.

Um, you do know that the term "Men at Work" is typically applied to blue-collar construction workers, not white-collar office employees, right?

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But if you honestly don't like it, what title would you give? Because in all honesty, it took me almost a year to come up with that idea(I came up with it before "Back in Town" and "Back in Business").


Ah, no, dude. We're not doing that again. I give you 1 suggestion for an idea and the next thing I know you're bugging me and everyone else here for ideas everyday, and then it starts to feel like we're the ones writing your script. No. It's your fanfic idea, call it what you want. I really, really don't want to get involved this time. If you're truly committed to this idea, then you've also got to be committed to do the actual work. No one here is going to do it for you.

And I agree with Mark: if this thread starts to become circular like the last 2 did, it should be locked. Though I won't be going around in circles this time.

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(This post was edited by Starburst on Aug 2, 2012, 7:53 AM)
 
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  Starburst  

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Starburst

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  Aug 2, 2012, 10:40 AM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

Sorry for the double-post, it was too late to edit.

I just re-read this:


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it's similar to the old NBC show The Duck Factory(works well since I plan on having Jim Carrey in the lead role): Carrey is an aspiring artist, gets a job at WB studios, finds out the Toons are real to his shock, and as their new boss he must try to keep them in line like a workplace comedy.


...and there are a few holes in this plot. If Toons are living sentient creatures in this universe, then why does WB studios need artists at all? Camera crews could just film the Toons doing stuff, just like live actors.

And why would Carrey be the Toons' new boss? He's just a newbie artist, not an established producer or director. Actors don't work for aspiring artists and writers, it's the other way around. This needs work.

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(This post was edited by Starburst on Aug 2, 2012, 10:50 AM)
 
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  LooneyTunian  

  Inbetweener

 Posted:
  Aug 3, 2012, 1:55 PM

     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  


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You can't develop characters that you don't own; you can only give your own interpretations of them, and as was said earlier, this premise seems too simplistic to be a feature film. Movies typically have more complex plots. There's (usually) some sort of major conflict that needs to be resolved, a rising and falling action, as well as some overall goal for the main characters to achieve, and based on what I've read so far, LTaW doesn't have any of those elements. Frankly, I just don't see how you could stretch something like this out for longer than an hour before it starts to get old.

I'm pretty sure I can seeing with how the Toons interact with everyone. And I know, I so far don't have a complex plot. I am still working on that.


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I don't see how it's "supposed" to be a Looney Tunes movie other than you just want it to be. This idea could conceivably work with any set of fictional characters, including original creations (which is what I would do. I also would do this as a TV series rather than a movie, but that's me). If you would rather use established characters, then just say that. Likewise, I don't how or why it has to be a movie, especially since you've already admitted that you have no plot or a complete cast as of yet.

Well, that's basically it. I want it to be a Looney Tunes movie because I love the Looney Tunes, I have a passion for it and I know a lot about them.


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And I wasn't counting human characters, as no one is going to tune in to a Looney Tunes movie to see them, but it's fine as long as you understand that as long as you insist on using the Looney Tunes characters, you can't do anything with your story other than post it on a public fan fiction website, because you don't own the LT characters, therefore you have no legal rights to them. Just as long as you understand that.

I understand! I'm only doing this for fun pretty much seeing as how I hate "The Looney Tunes Show."



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Why is it "supposed" to be a Looney Tunes film? You seem to be obsessed with rehashing the same, tired format of animated characters from Hollywood's golden age interacting with live-action ones. It's already been done... accept it and move on.

You initially said that you have no characters or actual plot; yet you're ready to cast a big-name star in a role that doesn't even exist on paper. Good night, nurse... if you're not beating the proverbial dead horse, you've got his sorry carcass standing behind the cart(!)

I'm not obsessed. I just want to see one more live-action/animated film(which is a method I think is brilliant!) featuring the Looney Tunes interacting with my most favorite actor who's the funniest guy in the universe--Jim Carrey(which works because he stared in the cartoonish movie The Mask).


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To be honest, this is really just a rehash of your previous ideas: namely, the Looney Tunes interacting with big name live-actors, which has been done. The only difference is this time you have 1 particular big-name actor in mind and the plot is basically copying 2 TV sitcoms instead of another movie. I find it interesting how you never pass up an opportunity to call Looney Tunes: Back in Action a bomb when all of your movie ideas are basically rehashes of LT:BiA.

I'm not copying sitcoms, I'm simply using the same mockumentary format. And also, me calling BiA a bomb is pretty much a coincidence! Heck, I love that movie and I think it's almost the closet to the classics.


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Ah, no, dude. We're not doing that again. I give you 1 suggestion for an idea and the next thing I know you're bugging me and everyone else here for ideas everyday, and then it starts to feel like we're the ones writing your script. No. It's your fanfic idea, call it what you want. I really, really don't want to get involved this time. If you're truly committed to this idea, then you've also got to be committed to do the actual work. No one here is going to do it for you.

Well, I thought the idea that I post my idea on the forums people give me suggestions to improve my idea but...whatever.

Now, unlike my past ideas, I'd like to be in control of my movie and not rely on other people's ideas. So if you give me suggestions, I won't keep bugging you for them. I'll make a decision on whether or not it's good. Although I'd like to see what kind of title you guys think is better since it's the only one I got.


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...and there are a few holes in this plot. If Toons are living sentient creatures in this universe, then why does WB studios need artists at all? Camera crews could just film the Toons doing stuff, just like live actors.

And why would Carrey be the Toons' new boss? He's just a newbie artist, not an established producer or director. Actors don't work for aspiring artists and writers, it's the other way around. This needs work.

Yeah I thought about that, and that's why I went with the mockumentary idea and that's why I feel like I need to stay with this idea.

Now I keep hearing from you guys if I go with this idea people will get bored. Now what can I do with my idea to get people interested for over an hour? Because I plan on captivating people with as much comedy as I can get away with.
 
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  SpaceDemon  

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  Aug 3, 2012, 2:10 PM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  


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I'm pretty sure I can seeing with how the Toons interact with everyone.


No, you can't. You can develop the original characters, but you can't develop the Looney Tunes characters because they're copyrighted characters that you don't own. You can only do your versions of the LT characters. You don't seem to understand what I'm saying.



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Now I keep hearing from you guys if I go with this idea people will get bored. Now what can I do with my idea to get people interested for over an hour? Because I plan on captivating people with as much comedy as I can get away with.


I honestly don't know how to "get people interested for over an hour" because I don't think that this idea should go on for over an hour. If you don't know how to make an parody of The Office with the Looney Tunes characters and Jim Carrey work as a movie, then there's an easy solution for that: Don't do it as a movie. As was said earlier, this idea seems best suited for a short or at the most a half hour TV special.

Truth be told, the length is a moot point; since you don't own the LT characters and therefore can't go public with your idea, it's not a movie, a short nor a TV special. It's just a fanfic. You can make as long or as short as you need or want to make it.

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  Starburst  

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  Aug 3, 2012, 2:36 PM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  


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And also, me calling BiA a bomb is pretty much a coincidence!


You've done it repeatedly. What's coincidental about that?


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Heck, I love that movie and I think it's almost the closet to the classics.


Then why do you keep asking if it's OK to call it a bomb in your movie ideas? Funny way to address a movie that you're allegedly a fan of. Just sayin'.


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Now I keep hearing from you guys if I go with this idea people will get bored. Now what can I do with my idea to get people interested for over an hour? Because I plan on captivating people with as much comedy as I can get away with.


No one can tell you how to keep your audience interested; that job falls to you as the author.

But if you don't have enough ideas to execute this as a movie, then just don't do it as a movie. Simple as that. Trying to cram "as much comedy as you can get away with" actually works better in a short, since the average short usually tells a very simple story which is usually packed with gags. Features, by contrast, usually have more complex plots and as such cannot be so intensely packed with gags; in a feature a laugh a minute usually means that after a while there are no more laughs.

The best advice I can give you is: if you really want to do this as a feature, then you need a more complex plot than just "The Looney Tunes and Jim Carrey do The Office". In its' current form, this idea works better as a short or a skit.

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(This post was edited by Starburst on Aug 3, 2012, 3:42 PM)
 
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  LooneyTunian  

  Inbetweener

 Posted:
  Aug 4, 2012, 6:55 AM

     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  


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No, you can't. You can develop the original characters, but you can't develop the Looney Tunes characters because they're copyrighted characters that you don't own. You can only do your versions of the LT characters. You don't seem to understand what I'm saying.

Well obviously, I'd like to get permission from WB to use their copyrighted characters in my script so I can develop them.


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I honestly don't know how to "get people interested for over an hour" because I don't think that this idea should go on for over an hour. If you don't know how to make an parody of The Office with the Looney Tunes characters and Jim Carrey work as a movie, then there's an easy solution for that: Don't do it as a movie. As was said earlier, this idea seems best suited for a short or at the most a half hour TV special.

Truth be told, the length is a moot point; since you don't own the LT characters and therefore can't go public with your idea, it's not a movie, a short nor a TV special. It's just a fanfic. You can make as long or as short as you need or want to make it.


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The best advice I can give you is: if you really want to do this as a feature, then you need a more complex plot than just "The Looney Tunes and Jim Carrey do The Office". In its' current form, this idea works better as a short or a skit.

I've said this before, I'm not making it a parody of The Office. I'm simply using the mockumentary format. Other shows such as Parks and Recreation and Modern Family have used this.And also I'd like to write this as a feature film so while it isn't right now I'd like to envision it is.

I keep failing to mention this, but also in my idea other than showing what it's like on the WB lot, I'd also like to show how the Toons would react in the real world. For example--paparazzi, public events, the fanbase, what they do in their spare time, how they live their lives being cartoon characters, etc.


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Then why do you keep asking if it's OK to call it a bomb in your movie ideas? Funny way to address a movie that you're allegedly a fan of. Just sayin'.

I'm not asking to see if it's okay calling BiA a bomb. I'm asking if it's okay to address that, racial stereotyping, political correctness(Bugs Bunny crossdressing, Porky's stutter, Speedy Gonzales cartoon ban, etc.), marketing, etc. in my idea.
 
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  Starburst  

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  Aug 4, 2012, 8:36 AM
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I'd like to get permission from WB to use their copyrighted characters in my script so I can develop them.


We've covered this: the only way to do that is to get a job within the animation industry and work your way up the ladder so you can acquire the reputation and clout needed to get in with Warner Bros. Animation. But why any of this matters when this is just a fanfic you're only doing for funsies for which you don't have a finished script or even a preliminary one yet is beyond me.

We keep telling you these things, but for whatever reason you seem unable or unwilling to take them into account and act on them accordingly.

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  SpaceDemon  

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  Aug 4, 2012, 8:42 AM
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Well obviously, I'd like to get permission from WB to use their copyrighted characters in my script so I can develop them.



Why? You said earlier that you're only writing this for fun, not for profit. You don't need to get permission from Warner Brothers to write a Looney Tunes fanfic. Just write it and remember to add a disclaimer that you don't own the Looney Tunes characters in the final print so there won't be any legal problems.



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I'm not making it a parody of The Office. I'm simply using the mockumentary format. Other shows such as Parks and Recreation and Modern Family have used this.




True, but The Office (the British series, not American version) employed this format first. Parks and Rec and Modern Family merely borrowed from it. Therefore, we can simplify by calling your idea a parody of The Office, since that was the series that started it all.

Also, no offense, but based on what I've read so far, the whole addition of Jim Carrey just seems tacked on to me. I see no real reason for him to be there.

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  LooneyTunian  

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  Aug 4, 2012, 4:42 PM

     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

 

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Why? You said earlier that you're only writing this for fun, not for profit. You don't need to get permission from Warner Brothers to write a Looney Tunes fanfic. Just write it and remember to add a disclaimer that you don't own the Looney Tunes characters in the final print so there won't be any legal problems.

Exactly. Of course I was going to do that. I just started getting confused because you kept saying I can't develop Bugs Bunny and the other Toons in my idea even though I'd have their personality on par with the original.


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True, but The Office (the British series, not American version) employed this format first. Parks and Rec and Modern Family merely borrowed from it. Therefore, we can simplify by calling your idea a parody of The Office, since that was the series that started it all.

Actually it really didn't start with The Office. It's actually been around for a while with The Rutles and Woody Allen.


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Also, no offense, but based on what I've read so far, the whole addition of Jim Carrey just seems tacked on to me. I see no real reason for him to be there

Well, in my story he's important to the story because he's there trying to keep the Toons in line on set.
 
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  Starburst  

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  Aug 4, 2012, 8:27 PM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

So just who is Carrey's character supposed to be, exactly? A studio liaison? A director? A publicist? Stanley Ipkiss? Truman? The Cable Guy? Some random dude?

And do you specifically need Jim Carrey to play this role? Seems to me the role of the Toons' babysitter could be played any actor. In fact, Carrey's mugging it up and down might actually detract from the movie, as that could potentially take the audience's attention away from the cartoon characters' antics. It's the Looney Tunes' movie; let them be the zany ones.

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  SpaceDemon  

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  Aug 4, 2012, 8:47 PM
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Exactly. Of course I was going to do that. I just started getting confused because you kept saying I can't develop Bugs Bunny and the other Toons in my idea even though I'd have their personality on par with the original.


OK, it seems that I caused a bit of confusion with my earlier statement a couple of posts ago. Allow me to clarify:

When I said that "you can't develop characters that you don't own", I didn't mean that you needed to get WB's permission to develop them. I meant that no take on the Looney Tunes characters of yours will truly be canon, because you're working with characters that you didn't create and don't own, so it will simply be your versions of the LT characters and not the true ones. That's all. And there's no way that you could have the characters' personalities "on par with the originals" for 2 reasons:

1. You don't own the LT characters, as previously stated, and..

2. Even in the original shorts, each WB director had a different interpretation of the characters that they worked on. Tex Avery's Bugs Bunny was different from Bob Clampett's Bugs Bunny, who was different from Robert McKimson's Bugs Bunny, who was different from Chuck's Jones' Bugs, etc. Writing styles are like fingerprints; no 2 are exactly alike. There's no 1 definitive take on any of the LT characters, because they're fictional. And I certainly hope that you aren't suggesting that your take on LT universe is on the same level of quality as those of the original directors.

Also, I disagree with your opinion that The Looney Tunes Show is an inferior take on the franchise, but I don't wish to derail the thread, so perhaps we'll have that discussion in a different thread.

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  damfine  

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  Aug 4, 2012, 9:25 PM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

I'm going to contradict Starburst and Space Demon a bit and say that this idea could sustain an entire movie without the novelty wearing off, if it's done right. There should still be a story line among the backstage antics.
A good example of such a thing is this one episode of M*A*S*H. I'm not sure what the episode's title is, but I do know it's the one where we see how the 4077 operates from a patient's point of view. It works for the whole half hour because they added a situation where Colonel Potter is upset about something and noone else can figure out why. You need something like that to keep people interested.

I also agree that Jim Carrey wouldn't be necessary for the main role in this movie. It might be better to use someone who's known for being a straight actor. Actually, you know what, scratch that. Porky Pig was always meant to be the straight man in the Looney Tunes universe. Put him in that role instead of some Hollywood persona.

This fan fiction of yours may seem like a long shot right now, but there's no reason you should stop. Best of all, in a free conutry, noone has the power to make you stop. So, with that, I say best of luck to you with this project.

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  zavkram  

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  Aug 5, 2012, 2:59 AM

     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

I know the M*A*S*H episode you're talking about, Damfine. It was written and directed by Alan Alda. But, bear in mind that the episode was only about 26 minutes long, including the sub-plot about Potter's wedding anniversary.

As far as LT's latest idea for LT film is concerned; I think maybe it should be kept to under 90 minutes. A half-hour might be better... it could always run as a featurette on the same program with a full-length film.

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  SpaceDemon  

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  Aug 5, 2012, 8:48 AM
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     Re: Looney Tunes At Work (film idea) [In reply to]  

I have to agree with Starburst and damfine here about the casting of Jim Carrey. I get that you're a fan of Mr. Carrey, but I just don't think that putting a crazy guy in charge of the crazies is the best idea because if Carrey's performance were too over-the-top, he would threaten to take the audience's attention away from the Looney Tunes characters, who are the film's intended stars. I think that it would be funnier to have a straight character placed in charge and have him/her be driven crazy by all of the nut jobs and egos that he/she is forced to contend with.

damfine may be on to something by casting Porky Pig in that role, as you earlier indicated in "Back in Town" that you wanted to do something special with Porky's character.

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(This post was edited by SpaceDemon on Aug 5, 2012, 8:50 AM)




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