Inbetweener
Posted:
Jan 25, 2012, 6:45 PM
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MGM cartoon reissue/changes thread!
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Unlike the assaulting , annoying, aggravating and problem-inducing Warner Bros Blue Ribbon reissues of the cartoons from the Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies line which has kept me away from their cartoons for semingly forever right now and for quite a long term when i had no problem watching, the Disney reissue titles and even about half of the NTA/UM&M reissues of the Fleischer cartoons (the real main thing that bothers me just for the black and white entries is that they often hack away the screen credits specifically that involves Dave Fleishcer and others being credited and the worst part is that this is straight to the original elements, prints are extremely rare and the hacked out regular titles are pretty much rotted into, well, rot by now), i actually have no problem watching the MGM cartoon subjects with the reissue titles and just like the Universal-International reissues of the UA Walter Lantz cartoons (seemingly all directed by the massively talented Dick Lundy), it can be refreshing and really just as great and can easily be imagined as how the cartoons originally opened and ended, and also give an extremely raw idea most of time of how the cartoon originally started out when it was first released (with exepctions including shorts like Dumb Hounded and Early Bird Dood It), as a matter of fact, some casual viewers of cartoons can't even tell the MGM logo and titles had changed!, Amazing!, not like in the Disney reissues where the viewer will instantly tell the changes in reissue, Rugged Bear and Red burlap cloth musical pattern cards anyone? (i refrained from mentioning Blue Ribbons that time, because that is way TOO obivously noticable).
Briefly mentioning as FleischerFan from the GAC forums once said, I think it's extremely super duper ultra silly and childish to be ranting, talking, paying attention and focusing on and about to JUST logos and titles, EXACTLY and ESPECIALLY all this 'scary logos' and 'original titles ' (variations included both in sound and visual) ultra nonsense bulloney, this is EXACTLY the equivent of juding a book and a computer CD game exactly by the covers, frills and whatnot and also exactly REALLY the equilvent and right to it's exactly only form ever like judging everything and certain things on JUST the outside (like the frills, looks, colors, wrappings, clothing, skin, practially all summed to the just plain OUTSIDE of all things ever), when in the end and all throughout this commotion, we should ONLY, i repeat, ONLY and exactly excuslively be talking, ranting, paying attention and be focusing execulsively on ONLY the INSIDE of things ( like the entire forms, construction, structure, physics, raw material etc.) specifically the cartoons and things themeselves and yes, exactly on the inside IF necessecary only (what i meant to the inside of animation, i mean the roots, specifically the issue covered on tracebacks to, say Otto Messmer and in turn to Winsor McCay just to give an example, okay, i confess, i took a little of that, the Otto Messmer roots part, while being really naive at that time, from John K's blog a bit that covered on the "standarization of animation" and from John's posts that stab against Disney and CalArts, but just only a teeny bit, spare me guys).
Anyway, push all that aside please and lets be permaently back on topic, the reason i started this thread was more of a question on Northwest Hounded Police when looking at the MGM production filmography in original prod. order, in it's original version there had said to have been a scene there that concered a reference about celing prices and that an IB tech print of the regular version containing the alleged scene is at large now, but i must mention other things, the wartime rationing refences in the newspaper seen on the cartoon Dumb Hounded which debuted Droopy the Dog, was refilmed in reissue to remove any refrences that involved WWII, other than that the opening theme was changed to a snippet of the Out Foxed cue, while the original theme had Runnin Wild and persumbaly the same open cue heard on Who Killed Who? and also Yankee Doodle Mouse had an entire scene removed from reissue that involved rationing stamps and enemy gets few good licks, signed Lt Jerry, meanwhile in the reissue version the title card was also changed to show the aftermath that this cartoon had previously won an Academy Award and also again an IB tech copy featuring the original version and the deleted scene is wholly at large, all reissued shorts that had the Tiger Rag Gag and most shorts execpt for Red Hot Riding Hood that had Runnin Wild (Scott Bradley's wild brassy reditions of that tune are so catchy and awesome) in their opening soundtracks were all changed for re-release, specifically cartoons like The Early Bird Dood It and Sufferin' Cats, for now those are the only things i can think at the top of my head.
And sometimes changes occured just before the cartoon hit it's run in theaters, obviously, the way Red Hot Riding Hood was susposed to end, not just for the military, but for the casual audiences, in the alleged ending there was suposed to be this altrenate ending if the Wolf really did marry the Grandmother at the wedding with the Tex Avery caractured character as the Justice of Peace, both Grandmother and Wolf get married and have inbred Half Human Half Wolf children, The Hays Code thought that was disgusting so they had Fred Quimby delete that ending and had Tex come up with the final ending where he shoots himself to suicide and his soul comes up and howls at Red so many times for regular release.
A version (more of a finished colored sound workprint since the other ending i mentioned didn't make it into the actual film) with the marrage ending is still at large, meanwhile an IB copy of the regular version is at large too, because i think this cartoon originally opened with a multiplane live action book of Little Red Riding Hood, since the actual Red Hot title doesn't show up untill after the characters have quarreled and seeing how shorts that had Runnin' Wild mostly had the animators indeed credited, like as in Wild Honey, i think the regular version of Red Hot Riding Hood did have the animators and the storymen and Scott Bradley credited and Tex Avery's credit would have to been in the same section as the others?
And I suspect the regular versions of The Lonesome Mouse, Fine Feathered Friend and Sufferin' Cats all intially had a footaged and finished version of the actor's chair T&J title card that is still at large, and IB tech copies of the aformeted regular versions are both all at large.
And i strictly aplogize for acting extremely so forced in my intial sentences of parographs, and i will say this one and hopefully never again is that i have no problems whatsoever if you disagree with my opinions, that's perfectly natural and how we stand out from the each other postiviely, hope that doesn't bother you guys  .
Forword, let's begin  .
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Everything the Light Touches Is Our Kingdom.
ROAR!, Confound it, Kiddies, Don't miss my Cartoon Show! - King Leonardo.
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Inbetweener
Posted:
Feb 5, 2012, 12:51 PM
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Oh, I Also forgot to mention, there was also the Wild and Woolfy that redid the multiplane canyon sequence, removing Walt Clinton's name in the process and of course altered the wanted poster to remove WWII references of ration books, etc, etc.
And of course, the original version of Suffering Cats had no other credits except Bill and Joe, respectively.
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Everything the Light Touches Is Our Kingdom.
ROAR!, Confound it, Kiddies, Don't miss my Cartoon Show! - King Leonardo.
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