Apprentice
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Jul 30, 2011, 6:39 AM
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Quality going downhill!
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I used to think Cartoon Network and Boomerang WERE EXCELLENT NETWORKS!
But now they are starting to show TRASH!!
For example
I love LOONEY TUNES!!!!
There is a new show on Cartoon Network called "The LOONEY TUNES SHOW" -- COMPLETE GARBAGE COMPARED TO "LOONEY TUNES" !!!!!!
But whats even worse than that???
"PINK PANTHER AND PALS" on Boomerang!! (Piece of trash) -- Boomerang used to be an EXCELLENT CLASSIC CARTOON network -- Now they are putting new garbage on it and its sad..........
They wanna show that crap KEEP IT ON CARTOON NETWORK,Boomerang is for GOOD CLASSIC CARTOONS!!
Dont any of these newer dedicated networks EVER STAY DOING WHAT THEY STARTED OUT DOING??
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Directing Animator / Contributor
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Jul 30, 2011, 9:43 AM
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Wow. Another "(fill in the blank channel) sucks now compared to the way it was 10/15 years ago" thread. Yay.
The 1st thing that we must keep in mind regarding Cartoon Network is that when the channel was 1st launched, it was an all ages animation lovers channel, but now, the current heads of CN are consciously trying to compete with Nickelodeon and The Disney Channel. Unfortunately, CN is firmly established as a kids' channel now, although I personally think that CN's current lineup is head and shoulders above what it was back in 2006-2009, what I refer to as "The dark Age of CN". It seems to me that this presumed "lack of quality" that you're percieving for CN is simply the fact that you're no longer a kid and are therefore outside of the target demographic that the currnt CN shows are being aimed at. I'm seen some of the current cartoons such as Regular Show, Batman: the Brave and the Bold and The Amazing World of Gumball, and I find them to be quite good, despite my being an adult of 42 years.
For example
I love LOONEY TUNES!!!!
There is a new show on Cartoon Network called "The LOONEY TUNES SHOW" -- COMPLETE GARBAGE COMPARED TO "LOONEY TUNES" !!!!!!
Well, I've seen all of the episodes of The Looney Tunes Show (so far), and while I'll be the 1st to admit that TLTS isn't perfect, I wouldn't describe the series as being "complete garbage". I'm personally just glad that Warner Brothers is doing something anything with the LT/MM characters, who've been ignored by the studio for far too long. Right now, I suspect that TLTS's writers are trying things out to see what works and what doesn't. Things are likely to get better for TLTS in it's 2nd season, if it's lucky enough to get one. Besides, CN is currently airing Looney Tunes weekdays at noon as a cross-promotion for TLTS. Why not just enjoy that while it's here, and also show your love for LT by purcashing the Golden Collection DVD of the classic shorts? Don't watch TLTS is you don't like it. Why hate rant about a TV show when ignoring it is so much easier?
But whats even worse than that???
"PINK PANTHER AND PALS" on Boomerang!! (Piece of trash) -- Boomerang used to be an EXCELLENT CLASSIC CARTOON network -- Now they are putting new garbage on it and its sad..........
Wow. We really have opinions on what constitutes a series as "trash". I'm not in love with Pink Panther and Pals, but I really didn't think it was that bad. An unnecessary "kiddification" of the main characters, same as with Tom & Jerry Kids, sure, but the style of humor of PP&P pretty much harkens back to the original Depatie-Freleng shorts, unless you're saying that you don't like them either. You should know though that PP&P is only airing on Boomerang because Cartoon Network is done withe the series and CN's broadcasting rights for the series have yet to expire. Anyway, I don't see PP&P airing on Boom as a big deal at all, since Boom runs the series so infrequently that it's pretty easy to ignore.
Also, I disagree about Boomerang being an "Excellent classic cartoon network" in it's old days. My problem with the current Boomerang isn't that the channel is showing post 1999 cartoons, but that they're not showing enough of the cartoons that are available to them in the Turner library. Boom shows Dexter's Lab, but only the first 2 seasons. Boom shows The Powerpuff Girls, but only the 1st 3 seasons. And there are a lot shows CN shows such as Megas XLR, Whatever Happened to Robot Jones, Time Squad, Sheep in the Big City, Tom & Jerry Tales, The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest and others which have ended their perspective runs years ago and have never been shown on Boomerang! What's Turner waiting for? These shows were all produced by Cartoon Network Studios, so airing them on Boom wouldn't cost Turner a dime, so why haven't we seen these shows on Boom yet? Is it really so unreasonable to expect Boomerang to run every episode of every series that they own?
And naturally Boomerang would eventually start airing shows from 1999 and beyond. Time keeps moving forward; it doesn't stand still. Boom can't just loop the 1950s to 1980s shows ad infinitum. The year 2000 was 11 years ago. The 1990s were 20 years ago. That's long enough for a cartoon from that era to be thought of as "notalgia". My feeling is that if it's old enough to be remembered nostalgically and it's owned by Turner, it can run on Boom.
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(This post was edited by SpaceDemon on Jul 30, 2011, 10:00 AM)
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Directing Animator / Contributor
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Jul 30, 2011, 12:04 PM
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"PINK PANTHER AND PALS" on Boomerang!! (Piece of trash) -- Boomerang used to be an EXCELLENT CLASSIC CARTOON network -- Now they are putting new garbage on it and its sad..........
They wanna show that crap KEEP IT ON CARTOON NETWORK,Boomerang is for GOOD CLASSIC CARTOONS!!
Apologies in advance for the tag-team, folks, but:
The above is simply flawed logic, for a number of reasons:
1. "Classic" is a subjective term. What you define as "classic" may not what I or anyone else defines as such. It's a relative term which depends on what era the individual in question grew up during and their own personal tastes. Your definition of "classic" may be Yogi Bear and the Smurfs, but to a kid who grew up in the 90's to early 00's, the shows from that era are classics. We can't--and shouldn't--try to force our childhood memories on others. Similarly, "good" is also a subjective term which will vary depending on whom you ask; just because you don't consider shows like Pink Panther & Pals and The Looney Tunes Show good doesn't mean that no one does.
2. Boomerang should move ahead with the times. The channel simply cannot just endlessly loop the cartoons from 1950 to 1990 forever. As Space Demon said above, time moves forward, and even Boomerang has to keep up with the times. I know a lot of people tend to romanticize Boomerang as a channel for Baby Boomers, but a funny thing happened in the past 20 years: the Baby Boomers grew up and had babies of their own. If Boomerang wants to stay in business, they should air cartoons that those children grew up with too. The fact of the matter is that Boomerang isn't strictly a Baby Boomer's channel anymore, and it hasn't been for some time now. Boom stopped being a Baby Boomer channel the instant they began showing Justice League/Unlimited, Teen Titans, Samurai Jack, Dexter's Lab, Cow & Chicken, Johnny Bravo and The Powerpuff Girls. Boom has progressively been showing newer cartoons every few years, so complaining about it now like this just started happening is absurd. They've been running newer shows for a while now, and they'll continue to do so if they want to stay alive. TV is a business, and in order any business to thrive, they must keep moving forward, not just run in place.
Don't any of these newer dedicated networks EVER STAY DOING WHAT THEY STARTED OUT DOING??
This brings me to my 3rd point: Turner is doing exactly what they started out doing with Boomerang.The initial goal behind the launching of the Boomerang channel was to get the older toons off of Cartoon Network in order to make room on the schedule for the newer premieres. All of that "home of classic cartoons" stuff was just a smoke screen to keep the nostalgia fans happy. As I said before, people really should stop thinking of Boomerang as a Baby Boomer nostalgia channel, because it really isn't that: it's Cartoon Network's recycle bin, where CN dumps the shows that they're through with and aren't making any more first-run episodes. This is what Turner's been doing with Boom since the beginning, and will likely continue to do unless someone decides to totally revamp the channel so it can turn a genuine profit (and don't think that could never happen, because it almost did: in late 2005 to early 2006 Turner was planning to remake Boomerang as a preschool channel to compete with the likes of Nick Jr. This is why shows like Krypto the Superdog, Gerald McBoing-Boing and The Mr. Men Show began airing on Boom, while simultaneously a preschool block called Tickle U began airing on CN; it was in fact, a test run for this proposed preschool channel. Had this move proved successful, we'd be talking about the Tickle U channel here), so it's silly to complain about it now.
Now I personally don't have a problem with this. To again echo what SD said in the last post, time moves forward and Boomerang, like every other business venture, has to move with the times in order to stay afloat. But I really have to scoff derisively whenever I hear someone say that Boomerang is an excellent classic cartoon channel, because IMPO, nothing could be further from the truth.
To reiterate, I don't have a problem with Boomerang being Cartoon Network's recycle bin. But if it must be that, I say it should at least be a quality recycle bin.
If Boomerang were now or were ever an "excellent classic cartoon network", it would be in more than just a tiny handful of homes. It would be basic cable or a lower tier channel, not an upper tier digital bonus only channel which customers have to pay an additional fee on top of their basic cable/satellite fee in order to even receive. They'd be innovating and improving themselves constantly rather than just perpetually looping the exact same 10 shows and the same 8 episodes of said shows and using the exact same smegging toy bumps that they've been using since day 1. Right now, Boom only airs about 1/10 of what they could be airing, with little to no variety; the channel's been running on auto-pilot for going on 11 years now. Call that "excellent"? 'Cause I don't.
The sad truth is that the execs at Turner simply don't care about Boomerang, because the channel runs ad-free and as such it makes no Turner no real money other than subscription fees. Boom has the potential to be an awesome classic Cartoon Network, if only the Powers That Be gave a crud about it.
Why does Boom only run a few seasons of their shows? And why don't they air more of the H-B and WB shows that they do own? Why don't they air retrospective shows like Toon Heads which offer some insight and trivia on our favorite cartoon classics? Why doesn't Boom air blocks like The Tex Avery Show, Toon-A-Palooza and Down with Droopy D? Why don't Codename : Kids Next Door, Time Squad, Whatever happened to Robot Jones?, Sheep in the Big City or Camp Lazlo air on Boom? They're also Cartoon-Cartoons; it's not like Turner has to pay to acquire them. For that matter, why don't Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy, Megas XLR and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends air on Boom? The Eds are CN's longest-running original series, and Foster's and Megas haven't been seen anywhere since their original runs ended on CN. Why not run them on Boom? Why doesn't Boom air more 'adult' cartoons at night like O Canada, the original Space Ghost: Coast to Coast, Popeye or Late Night Black and White? There's just so much that Turner could be doing with Boomerang instead of just letting it languish and only periodically checking in on it to see if the tape is till running.
Show me a channel that does any of what I listed above, and I'll show you an excellent classic cartoon channel.
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(This post was edited by Starburst on Jul 30, 2011, 12:21 PM)
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Apprentice
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Jul 30, 2011, 3:28 PM
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It seems to me that this presumed "lack of quality" that you're percieving for CN is simply the fact that you're no longer a kid and are therefore outside of the target demographic that the currnt CN shows are being aimed at. No its because THEY ARENT SHOWING GOOD STUFF LIKE THEY DID WHEN THEY FIRST CAME ON THE AIR!!
In my opinion there is NOTHING GOOD on now,its all crap and i much prefer cartoons from 1979 and older..... (Looney tunes,etc)
Its sad seeing Boomerang airing this garbage now when they used to only air GOOD STUFF!
(This post was edited by dude111 on Jul 30, 2011, 3:29 PM)
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Zinc Saucier / Moderator
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Jul 30, 2011, 3:38 PM
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I am closing this thread. It's an argument that has been hashed out ad infinitum in this forum and nothing ever changes. For all those involved thus far, do not re-open this topic again.
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