Inbetweener
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Dec 16, 2011, 11:30 AM
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Regarding Disney TV animation units.
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I've read once many moons ago that The Disney TV Animation Japan unit was actually really the bought out Pacific Animation Company (yet Wikipedia says it was founded by former TMS employees, or maybe that is part of an example to not believe everything on Wikipedia) and that Disney TV animation France was originally the Brizzi Bros Animation Studio (from Babar).
So, now to regard what Disney TV Animation Australia originally was, I think that would have to been exactly the exact same Australian animation studio (e.g King Arthur and Square Knights, Beetle Bailey, Krazy Kat) that was used by Hanna Barbera on some of their shows on their very beginning and eventually purchasing them so that they could farm their shows outright for extremely low budget (certainly away from the other Asian studios they had been using since the beginning, must certainly be a matter of choice nowadays to send animation to Asia now, because I've once read that several Asian studios, not just TMS from japan but also some of the other ones from Korea can be extremely EXPENSIVE!!! and BTW, Australia is not part of Asia, it is it's own continent )
Either that with Disney buying off Hanna Barbera or maybe this was a special unit partly exclusive to Disney, who knows?
If it's the latter, then it must be one of the very first Disney TV animation units set up to make sure, even though the animation was still overseas, the animation was still Disney BY Disney, and contrary to what I've heard about Sunwoo, Actually Disney TV Australia was actually exactly mainly the studio that primarily replaced TMS on animating on the Disney shows, Sunwoo wasn't founded until much later, i believe.
Anyway let's hear your opinions and speculations, guys about the Disney television animation units.
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Everything the Light Touches Is Our Kingdom.
ROAR!, Confound it, Kiddies, Don't miss my Cartoon Show! - King Leonardo.
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Zinc Saucier
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Dec 16, 2011, 4:26 PM
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The part about Disney Japan being ex TMS people and The Brizzi's studio being turned into Disney France doesn't actually seem that far fetched. The Brizzi's did work for Disney and wore supposedly wanted for a lot of other things. I still think their work on Fantasia 2000 was the best segment (fyi, they did Stravinsky's Firebird suite).
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Inbetweener
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Dec 17, 2011, 12:35 PM
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Did you also read the parts with Disney Austrailia and that i once also read that Disney Japan originally being Pacific Animation Company, just asking.
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Everything the Light Touches Is Our Kingdom.
ROAR!, Confound it, Kiddies, Don't miss my Cartoon Show! - King Leonardo.
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Zinc Saucier
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Dec 17, 2011, 5:43 PM
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I did, but I have no idea about Disney Australia. I just know they had a TV (mostly) animation unit down there.
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Inbetweener
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Dec 18, 2011, 5:13 PM
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Using Goof Troop about the Disney TV animation units about my favorites, Both Disney France (Brizzi) and Disney Australia produce brilliant and extremely funny and genius material. The Disney France (Brizzi) movements are really expressive, fluid, energetic, alive, and extremely wild and uproariously funny, sort of like Friz Freleng (also includes DFE as well) and most defiantly Bob Clampett done right and in the one only unique form ever only in my own humble opinion.
However, the very best, i repeat the very BEST one for me was Disney Australia, seeing as they were responisble for the goofy rock and overalls scenes (all taken from the episode "You Camp Take It with You") that ALWAYS used to easily make me laugh SO hard every time i saw it as a kid, while their work is not quite as smooth or fluid or as fast as in Disney France, their work is just as sharply timed, expressive, wild and in a way even funnier than Disney France. they were not afraid to go so far as to use different techniques in their animation such as the CGI CAPS sequence were Pete and Max were running around the house in the dark in Midnight Movie Madness and they were also pretty professional with the shading at times, pretty realistic, they were exactly like how Spectrum Animation was used on Batman the Animated Series and also like with Disney France, Disney Australia were both really Chuck Jones and Bob McKimson done right and in it's only one unique form ever only in my eyes and my own humble opinion, plus you can never go wrong with Goofy.
Anyway for my least favorite we shall drop Goof Troop and move on for the time being, going from really vague memory of other shows, I must say that Disney Japan (Pacific) is my least favorite of the bunch, as i remember (i am also semi-reviewing the Aladdin episode called Bad Moon Rising with King Moody or something like that) their lines everywhere is way too thin and tends to be exactly the same width, plus their animation tends to be pretty stiff and moves really clunky and kinda choppy, plus the way they tend to draw the characters is actually pretty funky and a little off sometimes, depending on what kind of studio is assisting them, be it Jade, Tama, Nakamura, Morning Sun or even Sunwoo (i could be wrong and entirely false about Sunwoo assisting Disney Japan though, but as i remember some of Sunwoo's work at one point resembled Disney Japan)
and that can make their work really inconsistent and really funkyish at times.
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Everything the Light Touches Is Our Kingdom.
ROAR!, Confound it, Kiddies, Don't miss my Cartoon Show! - King Leonardo.
(This post was edited by Lion55 on Dec 18, 2011, 5:13 PM)
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Inbetweener
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Dec 19, 2011, 12:00 PM
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More on Disney Japan and again using Goof Troop from comparing them to the other Disney TV Animation Units, that's not to say they are bad though, they themselves on their own (based on their work from the episode "Winter Blunderland" defiantly that is EXACTLY them doing the whole animation for sure) are pretty fluid, slick, smoothly timed and almost on par with Disney France even though they are not quite as funny or as energized, wild, or even as expressive as both Disney France and Australia (i am by no means including Disney Feature Animation especially including their sparking clean ageless digital I&P animation software execution, this is TV animation for goodness sake) but that does not stop them from being great in their own unique way and exclusively in my eyes and my own humble I consider and confirm them myself to be TMS (all of you others would think it would be pretty ironic  ), Frank Tashlin, Arthur Davis and even Alex Lovy (from those hideous Daffy and Speedy, Cool Cat and Merlin output) done RIGHT and like i said with the other Disney TV units, in it's only one unique form ever only to my opinion.
Unfortunately, I guess i may be right that most studios in mostly Asia (especially Japan) can be seriously expensive (and as proven with TMS on shows like Tiny Toons and Animaniacs, sometimes more expensive than even their american counterparts *cough* Startoons *cough* just to give an example) , i mean come on, Disney Japan must have been seriously have been about twice as expensive as having Walt Disney Feature Animation doing all the animation for the shows in-house, because in the rest of the Goof Troop episodes (and other Disney shows too) they often have studios like Tama Animation, Animal House and Morning Sun do the animation for them, which also implies that Japan's labour must be even much more expensive and costly than their American counterparts, BUT i will expect someone who actually really knows his stuff to prove me wrong as only know very little about Japan's currency (they use something called "yen") and that Tama Animation and Animal House are indeed in Japan also, just to give a few points.
So I Guess that's all of my points about pretty much all three of the Disney TV Animation units, i once read Disney had a Canadian animation unit, but i think that might be false, but if it is indeed true than that maybe originally based from Aktision Film Arts (i specifically mean off-shooted) or something like that, there was also a later Pixar Canada unit a recent years ago to clear that up, plus you guys would not mind if i turn it into a semi thread about the other animation studios (like Toon City, Wang, Kennedy, Freelance NZ) while still keeping the topic exclusivity DISNEY (and only Disney shows), just asking  .
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Everything the Light Touches Is Our Kingdom.
ROAR!, Confound it, Kiddies, Don't miss my Cartoon Show! - King Leonardo.
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Zinc Saucier
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Dec 19, 2011, 12:49 PM
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I think the animation unit in Canada was actually a "failed experiment", so to speak. Iirc, Disney did indeed attempt to start a CG animation studio in Canada, under a different name. This was before they absorbed Pixar; it was actually an attempt to soften the loss of Pixar if it came to that. I *think* that studio was supposed to do the film Gnomeo & Juliet, but even that eventually got farmed out to someone else. Maybe they had something to do with Mars needs Moms? It was a minor news thing years ago, so I don't actually remember much about it.
As for other studios, best not to mix them into this one. You can provide a link in this thread to another thread discussing a different studio if you want though, that way people can follow the discussion.
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Inbetweener
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Dec 19, 2011, 1:44 PM
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That sounds logical, and you've got a point, it's a much better idea to start a different thread about the other non Disney studios that did work on the Disney shows while splitting time for others like Hanna Barbera, THAT way people can on-topically follow the discussion easily, but i'm not feeling in the mood right now to pick out the other ones, I think I've said quite enough on this thread and i would like to hear others replies, now excuse me while i get a royal catnap, us lions like me need our royal healthy slumber for newer and brighter days  .
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Everything the Light Touches Is Our Kingdom.
ROAR!, Confound it, Kiddies, Don't miss my Cartoon Show! - King Leonardo.
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Inbetweener
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Dec 20, 2011, 4:20 PM
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Oh Hello guys, if you want to read about the other studios, best now to read them on another thread of mine concerning the other ones, but you can still talk about the Disney TV animation units right here, okay with you guys  .
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Everything the Light Touches Is Our Kingdom.
ROAR!, Confound it, Kiddies, Don't miss my Cartoon Show! - King Leonardo.
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