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  damfine  

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  Feb 1, 2003, 8:45 PM
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I just put that last one up to see who would choose it.


(This post was edited by Dave Koch on Jun 17, 2003, 9:37 PM)

 
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  Alex Weitzman  

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  Feb 2, 2003, 5:19 PM
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Once again, I must root for the Jones.
 
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  damfine  

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  Feb 4, 2003, 8:03 PM
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Yeah! Jones does seem to be the more popular one.
 
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  damfine  

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  Feb 9, 2003, 12:41 PM
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Whoa! Clampett's catching up to Jones.


Nevermind! Jones took the lead again.


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  Alex Weitzman  

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  Feb 9, 2003, 6:00 PM
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Between the two stages of WB animation (late 30s - mid 40s; late 40s - early 60s), it seems that Clampett is the champ of the 1st golden era and Jones is the champ of the 2nd golden era.


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  damfine  

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  Feb 9, 2003, 8:42 PM
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Yeah, with Friz and McKimson being towel-boys for both of them. (Don't get me wrong. They were great directors too. But they didn't own the industry with their styles like Jones and Clampett did. Of course, Clampett shared his position with Avery.)
 
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  Alex Weitzman  

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  Feb 9, 2003, 10:19 PM
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It seems so. Are there any die-hard Freleng-ites out there?
 
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  Infinitus C.  

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  Feb 9, 2003, 11:29 PM

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It seems so. Are there any die-hard Freleng-ites out there?



Not die-hard, but he was my second choice (after Jones).
 
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  Alex Weitzman  

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  Feb 10, 2003, 9:18 AM
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I actually think Freleng's work was better in the 40s, with Little Red Riding Rabbit, Baseball Bugs, and Rhapsody Rabbit.
 
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  Feb 10, 2003, 10:24 AM

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I actually think Freleng's work was better in the 40s

And better in the 50's, with Knighty Knight Bugs!
 
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  mreiof  

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  Feb 10, 2003, 11:13 AM
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In Reply To
Between the two stages of WB animation (late 30s - mid 40s; late 40s - early 60s), it seems that Clampett is the champ of the early stage and Jones is the champ of the "golden era".

With deference to the many savvy opinions contributed here, I think Alex is on to something. The other Termite Terrace directors were amazingly gifted animators, and Freleng, Tashlin, Davis, et al. would be racking up the votes had Clampett and Jones gotten jobs with, say, Hal Roach instead of Leon S. (Freleng should have gotten the Pulitzer for Yosemite Sam alone!) But, C. and J. are the two who brought a highly idiosyncratic style to the table along with their technical expertise and impeccable timing. At the risk of sounding like a no-credit undergraduate course: Clampett made cartoons from the subconscious, while Jones worked from the superego. Whoever is your favorite may change, depending on your state of mind at the time. (Discuss among yourselves, quiz on Friday.)

cheers,
M.
 
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  admin  

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  Feb 10, 2003, 11:34 AM

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Clampett made cartoons from the subconscious, while Jones worked from the superego. Whoever is your favorite may change, depending on your state of mind at the time.

I vote this the most insightful post on this board so far. I think this hits those two guys on the head!
 
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  damfine  

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  Feb 10, 2003, 11:37 AM
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Absolutely! I'm thinking of things to add to his statement but I can't. He summed them up well.Angelic
 
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  mreiof  

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  Feb 10, 2003, 1:34 PM
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Oh, stop it, you guys! You're killin' me! Blush
Actually, you've really done it now, because I just can't shut up! Re: Clampett & Jones, consider their approach to Daffy Duck, arguably the most versatile character in the entire history of animation (but that's another ballot!). Clampett=subconscious="The Great Piggy Bank Robbery," whereas Jones=superego=The "Hunter's Trilogy." NOW, consider Jones' reputed antipathy toward Clampett. When placed together, are these two men actually a split-personality of an overwhelming creative force, akin to say, Lennon & McCartney?
All right, I'll shut up now.

whew,
M.
 
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  damfine  

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  Feb 10, 2003, 2:18 PM
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Okay, now you're getting silly. Next you'll be saying that Clampett and Jones were hatched from the same pod that fell to Earth in 1931. Then they took humanoid form and entered the animation industry. It was at Termite Terrace where they used their super creativity powers from their home planet of Insaneindamembrainia to revolutionize animation and entertainment forever. However, Clampett was born on the dark side of the planet which has only 2 suns, while Jones was born on the lighter side which has 376 suns. This would explain why they did not get along.

It would be typical of you to say such a thing.
 
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  mreiof  

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  Feb 10, 2003, 3:45 PM
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Unsure Ouch! Shoulda quit while I was ahead.

cheers, anyway,
M.

P.S. Who tipped you off about Insaneindamembrainia?
 
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  damfine  

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  Feb 10, 2003, 5:38 PM
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Jones and Clampett put subtle clues in all their cartoons. If you play all of Clampett's cartoons and all of Jones' cartoons backwards, at double their speed, in alphabetical order, you will hear the following message:

PEOPLE OF EARTH. INSANEINDAMEMBRAINIA IS OUR HOME. YOUR BRAINS ARE PUNY. ORANGE JUICE IS FOR THE WEAK. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS RULE. WE HATE BOOGERS.

There's a lot more to the message but that's all I could make out. I'll take this to NASA to see if they can find out more.



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  Alex Weitzman  

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  Feb 10, 2003, 7:06 PM
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I like this thread. It's silly.



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  damfine  

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  Feb 14, 2003, 12:30 PM
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Well, noone has disproved that theory yet. So, I guess it's true then.
 
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  damfine  

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  Feb 15, 2003, 4:10 PM
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Clampett's catching up!!
 
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  Mark  

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  Feb 15, 2003, 5:45 PM

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I voted for Bob Clampett.
 
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  damfine  

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  Feb 15, 2003, 5:58 PM
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Good for you, man!

He was just as much a genius as anybody there. (The only reason he's not recognized as such is because he tended to shoot his mouth off about his talent when he was alive)
 
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  Alex Weitzman  

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  Feb 15, 2003, 6:42 PM
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Clampett is certainly one of my favorites. Still, go Chuck!
 
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  Mark  

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  Feb 15, 2003, 7:23 PM

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Good for you, man!

He was just as much a genius as anybody there. (The only reason he's not recognized as such is because he tended to shoot his mouth off about his talent when he was alive)




Clampett's boasts seem more like a desperate attempt for any sort of recognition since his work wasn't widely seen at that time. He was once quoted, when asked how he would like to be remembered, as saying "I would just like to be remembered."

I think part of the reason he as well as some of the other Looney Tunes directors are given their due is that Warners sold the rights to their pre-1948 color cartoons to television package syndicators in the late fifties.

This meant that the works of Clampett, Avery, and Tashlin (as well as Jones' more mediocre earlier cartoons) were never seen on Warners' own primetime and Saturday morning Bugs Bunny shows on network television, such as ABC and CBS.

The pre-'48 cartoons could only be seen on some obscure UHF channel, usually with the original titles cut off and replaced with the AAP logo. Either that or they were "Blue Ribbon" re-issues shorn of their credits.

This tended to give a rather lop-sided view of the history of the Warner cartoon studio, where some people never knew of any other directors besides Freleng, McKimson and Jones (of the three, Jones would look like the undisputed genius of the studio). Plus, since Jones lived the longest and was the one most interviewed (being an articulate and well read person reporters were natually drawn to him out of the three) he got to write the history of the studio in his terms (and he did write two memoirs of his years there).

Hopefully, now that Warners owns all their cartoons again, the other directors will get thier fare share of the credit, too.


(This post was edited by Mark on Feb 16, 2003, 12:51 AM)
 
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  Dave Koch  

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  Feb 15, 2003, 7:38 PM

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Hopefully, now that Warners owns all their cartoons again, the other directors will get thier fare share of the credit, too.

Dream on. Warner would be more than happy to cut all the credits off and consider the cartoons as a Warner Bros. creation. You will not see ANY promotion of "the works of..." originating from Burbank...

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