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  jrobin  

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  Jan 18, 2005, 2:17 PM

banned disney You Must Register Before You Can Post

are there any banned or censored disney cartoon? any names?

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  eminovitz  

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  Jan 18, 2005, 2:49 PM
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Re: banned disney [In reply to] You Must Register Before You Can Post

Hope you don't mind me moving your post to this forum, jrobin. I thought it might get a lot more interest here!

Numerous Disney cartoons have been censored or altered, or have had their exhibition restricted:


Alice Solves The Puzzle (Alice Comedies; M. J. Winkler Productions, 1925): Made before Walt Disney had his own studio, this was directed, written and co-produced by Walt. This is the only silent cartoon known to have been officially censored. Scenes missing from prints in the United States: 1) A pelican pulls a mean-looking bear in a rowboat across the ocean. A customs inspector stops him, looks at the boat and lets him pass. The bear later makes the bird open its mouth and extracts a bottle of bootleg whiskey. 2) Alice's cat Julius drinks liquor. 3) Julius becomes too drunk to help rescue Alice from the bear. When the film was released in 1925, the Pennsylvania Censorship Board asked that these scenes be deleted.

Steamboat Willie (1928): In this pioneering Mickey Mouse short (with added sound effects), Mickey and Minnie use various objects at hand to create music after a goat eats the sheet music. Several versions edit out a sequence in which a cat is used for this purpose.

Mickey Steps Out (1931): Pluto shouts "Mammy!" in the original, censored ending to this Mickey Mouse short.

Trader Mickey (1932): This Mickey short is considered controversial because of its stereotyping of African-Americans. With that in mind, Walt Disney Studios withdrew it from television and video release.

Mickey's Nightmare (1932): Cut scenes from this Mickey Mouse short include knives being thrown at Mickey, pinning him to the wall. Another had two of the kids squirting paint at a bust, giving it a black face. This was originally meant to spoof Al Jolson's performance in The Jazz Singer (released by Warner Bros., who became Disney's greatest rival).

The Whoopee Party (1932): Black stereotypes have been cut from some later prints of this Mickey Mouse short.

The Mad Doctor (1933): Soon after this release, this Mickey Mouse short was considered too frightening for children by British censors and was permitted for exhibition to adults only. (That's changed now!)

The Night Before Christmas (1933): Scenes have been deleted from some Walt Disney Christmas VHS and laserdisc releases of this Silly Symphony: Santa gets full of soot when he comes down the chimney, and he appears in blackface. Then, when the kids wake up, Junior catches Santa going up the fireplace. Running to the fireplace, he gets full of soot, and he dances around in blackface. Recent VHS releases seem to have these back in.

Three Little Pigs (1933): One of the most famous Silly Symphonies. Because of concerns over stereotypical depictions, modern releases have deleted a scene in which the Big Bad Wolf disguises himself as a Jewish peddler/Fuller Brush man.

Pluto's Judgement Day (1935): A scene in which Pluto kills poor ol' Uncle Tom(cat) as picaninny black cats sing has been censored from many prints of this Mickey Mouse short.

Song of the South (1946): A feature film combining live action and animation, this has deliberately not been released on video by Disney in North America. Because Disney believes this film may contain themes, sequences or characters that some people may consider derogatory toward certain ethnic or religious groups -- as well as because of direct pressure from African-American advocacy groups -- the Walt Disney Studios has been seen to "disown" the film by just ignoring it.

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  jrobin  

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  Jan 18, 2005, 7:25 PM

Re: banned disney [In reply to] You Must Register Before You Can Post

Thank you for the help If any others please let me know!

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  trazidlo  

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  Jan 19, 2005, 6:11 AM

Re: banned disney [In reply to] You Must Register Before You Can Post

What about Figaro and Cleo? Wasn't the black maid's legs in that short cut out of the original so that only her voice was heard in later versions?
 
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  ColonelHogan  

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  Jan 30, 2005, 7:42 PM

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What about the 1943 cartoon Education for Death? It was about a kid growing up to be a Nazi.
 
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  jrobin  

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  Jan 30, 2005, 7:59 PM

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Did disney make a bunch of cartoon relating to war?

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  Dave Koch  

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  Jan 30, 2005, 10:47 PM

Re: banned disney [In reply to] You Must Register Before You Can Post

jrobin:

For WWII most studios (probably all, really) joined the war effort actively, by producing (at the least) pro American films. Disney (and some other studios) went further, by producing films for the War Department- training films, informational films, etc.

SO, yers, Disney was actively involved in maing "war" films, both propaganda films for popular consumption as well as training films for the armed servces.

See Walt Disney Treasures - On the Front Lines at Amazon and Armed Forces Shorts at BCDB!

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(This post was edited by Dave Koch on Jan 30, 2005, 10:57 PM)
 
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  jrobin  

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  Jan 31, 2005, 7:47 PM

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There are everywhere!

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  STARFOX  

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  Feb 1, 2005, 2:37 AM

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You know something strange Dave - somebody in the past got for posting a image with that Nazi symbol in there post. [confused1]

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  ColonelHogan  

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  Feb 1, 2005, 3:49 PM

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Jrobin isn't that first cartoon Der Fuehrer's Face? That has a catchy little tune in it. I often find myself sining it. Smile
 
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  jrobin  

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  Feb 1, 2005, 3:56 PM

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It is, it came out in 1942. I really did know that there was so many of them out there.

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  zavkram  

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  Feb 1, 2005, 4:24 PM

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In Reply To
Jrobin isn't that first cartoon Der Fuehrer's Face? That has a catchy little tune in it. I often find myself sining it. Smile



Hogaaaaaaannnn!!!!!!!!

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  jrobin  

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  Feb 1, 2005, 7:07 PM

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I don't get it?

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  damfine  

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damfine

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  Feb 1, 2005, 7:25 PM
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Re: banned disney [In reply to] You Must Register Before You Can Post

Uh oh! Zav, you'd better sneak through that tunnel to Paris. Wink

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  zavkram  

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  Feb 2, 2005, 3:29 PM

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I'll bring the wine and apple streudel! Tongue

You got it D, didn't you? Angelic

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  jrobin  

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  Feb 2, 2005, 3:59 PM

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still don't get it?

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  ColonelHogan  

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  Feb 2, 2005, 7:06 PM

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I know nuuuuuuuuuuuuthing!
 
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  damfine  

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  Feb 2, 2005, 7:59 PM
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Re: banned disney [In reply to] You Must Register Before You Can Post

We're referencing the show Hogan's Heroes! Cool



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  jrobin  

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  Feb 2, 2005, 8:01 PM

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okay!

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  eelkat  

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  Feb 14, 2005, 10:22 PM

banned character: Scrooge McDuck's granddaughter [In reply to] You Must Register Before You Can Post

I know you guys are all talking about Disney cartoons, but I'm a comic book nut myself and thought you might be interested in some info on THE SINGLE MOST BANNED ITEM in Disney history: a comic book.

Anybody out there ever heard of Scrooge McDuck's grandaughter: Paperette Ye Ye (Dickie Duck)? She is the rarest and least used of all Disney characters, seen only in Italy and later with Jose in Brazil, she is banned for use in the rest of the world, and has never been seen in America at all.


Since most people in the USA have no idea who she is or why Disney banned the use of this character, or what she has to do with Scrooge, I will tell you.

In the more die-hard Scrooge fan circles, this story is known as the most scandalous of all the "Scrooge/Goldie scandal" stories. The Scrooge/Goldie scandal has caused Disney Corp. to ban several of the old original Scrooge stories from the 1940's and 1950's and later baddly edit Don Rosa's "Life and Times" segment: King of the Klondike (In the uncensored edition of "King of the Klondike" Goldie was a main star, but Disney made Don Rosa re-write it.)

To understand how this story got written, first of all you must realized that while Carl Barks created Scrooge, he was NOT the only Scrooge writer of the 1940's and 1950's, as is commonly belived here in America. Originaly there were TWO Scrooge writers: Carl Barks wrote for America and Romana Scarpa wrote for Europe. Before his stories went to press, Romana Scarpa got them "approved" by Carl Barks, although it is not known if Carl Barks actually did approve the stories or not.

To find out the story you'll have to start out by reading a rare uncensored version "Back to the Klondike"--keeping in mind that Scrooge was still a Disney VILLAIN at the time this story was originally written in 1952, and next you must read "The Arrival of Paperette Ye-Ye", IF you can find a copy and IF you can read Italian, because this story was printed only in Italy, in only a very few copies in 1957, before Disney Corp. found out about it and went histerical over it. (Less than a 1,000 of these are belived to exist today, if that many at all--I am lucky to own one of them--this is considered to be the rarest and hardest to find of not just Scrooge comics, but of all Disney comics.) By 1957, Scrooge in America was no-longer a villian, plus the "Back in the Klondike" story had had 8 pages, including the kidnapping of Glittering Goldie, removed from it, so the American public never saw this darker side of Scrooge McDuck until 1987, when Gladstone printed for the first time in America, an un-censored edition of it. So the first chapter of the Scrooge/Goldie scandal wasn't even told to the American public at the time the Paperette Ye Ye story was written. However, unlike America, Italy HAD seen "Back to the Klondike" uncensored, and so the Paperette Ye Ye story was not a shock to them, as it was to America.

The story of Paperette Ye Ye was written by Romano Scarpa, a man who was noted for getting Carl Barks' approval before writing any Scrooge story, so it must be assumed that Carl Barks new of this story before it was printed.

The story goes like this:

According to Carl Barks:
After having kidnapped Goldie in "Back in the Klondike" and letting her go a month later, Scrooge left the Yukon and didn't see Goldie again for almost 50 years, when they met once again in "Back in the Klondike" in 1952.

Than according to Romana Scarpa:
A year later,1953, Goldie arrives in Duckburg, bringing with her a girl she says is Scrooge's grand-daughter, Paperette Ye Ye, who's parents have just died. Goldie says she is not able to take care of her, but knowing Scrooge had plenty of money now, Goldie brought her to him instead. In Italy, from 1957 onward, Paperette lives at the Money Bin with her Grandfather, Scrooge McDuck. Later on, it is through Paperette that Scrooge meets up with another rare character: Brigitta MacBridge, the much younger fortune hunter looking to marry the world's richest duck, and being very good at keeping Scrooge on his toes as he tries to keep as far away from who he calls "that crazy woman".

While no story is known to exist, that actually writes it, it is common knowledge in Italy since 1957, that Scrooge and Goldie have an illegitmate daughter who is Paperette's mother and sadly she died before Scrooge was aware of her existance.

In Italy we see a more caring and romantic side of Scrooge that we do not see in America. While Goldie is never actually SEEN in another Italian story after 1957, throughout the rest of the Scrooge comics he sends money to the Yukon to take care of her. In America we see stories telling us that Goldie is the one pineing away for the stubborn and prideful Scrooge, but in Italy, it is the other way around.

In America, Scrooge fans who hear the story of Paperette Ye Ye, generaly respond with anger and hatred, saying the story is false and is not a "real" part of the Scrooge history. But--take a look at the date: 1957, it is one of the oldest stories out there, way before most of the more popular ones were written.

What few Americas do accept this story, change it, pointing out that in "Back to the Klondike" Goldie mentions careing for orphans and so they rationalize that Dickie Duck (as Paperette is called in America) is not really Scrooge's grand-daughter, she just calls him "Grandpapa" to be polite.

In Italy, this story is the most loved Scrooge story of them all and is considered "the most beautiful and romantic" of all the Scrooge stories ever written. In Italy, Paperette Ye-Ye was a regular in various Scrooge comics from 1957 until the 1970's, but Disney Corp. has banned all use of her and has done everything possibly to destroy the fact that Scrooge did start out as a "one-shot villain" not intended to ever be used as a hero. So, no new stories of Scooge's grand-daughter are allowed to be written and it is doughtful that we will ever hear Uncle Scrooge called "Grandpapa" here in America.


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There have been other stories banned by Disney, but this is the only one that was also banned by nearly all of Scrooge's fans as well. Very few of the old Scrooge stories are allowed to be reprinted today, nearly all of them have been banned or baddly censored, so few fans today are even aware that the early Scrooge was quite a wild-man, not at all like the Scrooge McDuck most of today's fans remember from the cartoon DuckTales.


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~~Scrooge McDuck



(This post was edited by eminovitz on Feb 14, 2005, 10:29 PM)
 
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  eelkat  

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  Feb 15, 2005, 1:29 AM

WWII cartoon/first sighting of Scrooge in 1943!!! [In reply to] You Must Register Before You Can Post

Hi,

I know of another WWII anti-Hitler cartoon. This one fetures the very first sighting of both Scrooge McDuck and Gladstone Gander way back in 1943. Four years BEFORE Scrooge's "first" appearance in a comic book in 1947. It is the quick cartoon short known as "The Spirit of '43". It's a clip that shows Donald with his money getting ready to spend it. But his "Scottish other self" (Scrooge) tells him to us it for the war effort, while his "German other self" (Gladstone) tells him to spend it at a saloon. Scrooge tells Donald how by spending his money in places like that, he is supporting "the axes" (Nazis) instead of American taxes. Than it shows how taxes help to build tanks, bomber planes, and guns used to protect America from Hitler.

I have this on a DVD, it is currently beeing sold at Walmart and is on the DVD called: Cartoon Craze presents vol. 16: Donald Duck/Woody Woodpecker/Panic Picnic.

This whole DVD contains rare cartoons from the 1930-1940's that have all been banned. "The Spirit of '43" is the only Disney cartoon on this disc, but there are several other discs in this series and they all contain old banned/censored/politicaly inncorect cartoons.

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"Yeah? Well you can keep your crazy relatives!"~~Zeke Wolf

"Morons! I'm surronded by morons!"~~Scrooge McDuck

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I conquered the world!
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(This post was edited by eelkat on Feb 15, 2005, 1:37 AM)
 
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  jrobin  

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  Feb 15, 2005, 12:14 PM

Re: banned character: Scrooge McDuck's granddaughter [In reply to] You Must Register Before You Can Post

Do you have a pic of Paperette Ye Ye (Dickie Duck)? I would really like to see what she looks like and any other info you have on banned disney, cartoon or not I would like to learn.

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  da_bunnyman  

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  Feb 15, 2005, 1:03 PM

Re: banned character: Scrooge McDuck's granddaughter [In reply to] You Must Register Before You Can Post

You can find her pic here.
http://stp.ling.uu.se/...dcml/chars/yeye.html
 
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  jrobin  

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jrobin

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  Feb 15, 2005, 1:12 PM

Re: banned character: Scrooge McDuck's granddaughter [In reply to] You Must Register Before You Can Post

I've seen her, didn't know her name, I was think it was one I hadn't seen. When was the last year she was put out? and where?

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  eelkat  

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  Feb 15, 2005, 10:52 PM

Re: banned character: Scrooge McDuck's granddaughter [In reply to] You Must Register Before You Can Post

Hi,

Paperette was introduced in 1957 in Topolino Numero Special #577. She was used in Uncle Scrooge stories off and on in Italy until the mid 1970's. During the 1960's she left the Uncle Scrooge stories and had her own comic book in Brazil, but it was short lived, due to the ring of scandal surronding her name, that she was never able shake off. Scrooge fans where always quick to boycott her as a "love child", and it was this that reputation that made Disney ban her use outside of Italy and Brazil. Outside of Italy (were everyone seems to like her) she has very little fan ratings. She was discontinued from comic book use entirly when Don Rosa started his famous "Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck" series in 1984---accourding to Don Rosa, she does not exist.

When Scrooge became a TV character on DuckTales, Paperette's presance was replaced by the younger Webby. Webby was quickly accepted by fans, since she lacked the rumor of a scandal in her reason for living with Scrooge.

All Uncle Scrooge comic books with Paperette in them are in Italian, but very few where actually made, and they are considered to be rare collector's items among the die-hard fans that remain truely faithful to Scrooge regarless of the scandal.


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